Southern Hang Gliding Club

This is the best explanation

davem — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:08 GMT

Reply to Forum message Re-Writing the Theory of how a wing creates lift... from davem:

This is the best explanation that I've seen:

http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/how_airplanes_fly_real_story_experimental_verification-85940

This explains why even barn doors can fly.

Update...

Sub Divo — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:32 GMT

Reply to Forum message SHGC Annecy 2012 - Accommodation\Travel from Sub Divo:

Hello!

It looks like we have one other person interested, but we really need four to make it viable. We're also looking into renting a mini-van as well (maybe even a 6-8 seater), but again, only if the interest is there.

If anyone is interested in the accommodation and\or transport, let me know ASAP and hopefully we can get something arranged.

Best wishes, David

Nice afternoons flying.

Youngie — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:07 GMT

Flight Diary from Youngie:

Date of Flight: Fri, 3 Feb 2012
Site: Devils Dyke
Wing: Paraglider

Light in the morning, one of the flights I took off, gained 6ft,then down to the foothills of the north face. The afternoon was much better, NW 10 mph sunny and very buoyant,turned out to be a good day.

Intuition can be a dangerous thing

ChrisTownsend — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:43 GMT

Reply to Forum message Re-Writing the Theory of how a wing creates lift... from ChrisTownsend:

Intuition can be a dangerous thing in physics, can't it? But mine, for what it's worth, would be that the air on the lower surface of your curved plate is to all intents and purposes "dead" air (albiet a but ruffled) and you could imagine air flowing from leading edge to trailing edge under the wing, a shorter distance than over the upper surface, but not as smoothly as if there was a nice solid under surface. So still Bernoulli effect but less efficient than a double surface aerofoil.

If paragliders don't fly quick enough for Bernoulli to apply, what applies for those speeds at which both hang gliders and paragliders fly - say 16 to 30+ knots? Sure, Bernoulli effect is about conservation of energy but what's an adiabatic process got to do with speed of flight?

And the curve of the wing is there to cause the air to stick to it? And therefore to cause more parasitic drag? Huh?? If the wing is applying this force to the air, it would be forcing it upwards over the leading edge and the reaction would be a downward force on the front upper surface of the wing. How would that create lift? The downward deflection of the air off the trailing edge alters the net relative airflow to cause the other kind of drag - induced - so how does that help the wing to create lift? That sounds like cause and effect reversed or am I misunderstanding you?

I think the Bernoulli effect is pretty well understood by physicists and has been a solid foundation for extending understanding of aerodynamics over several decades. My scepticism leads me to think we're not looking at an Earth-shattering "relativity overthrows Newtonian mechanics" type of insight here. Not yet anyway.

My first flight over 6 minutes...

jammyhl — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:24 GMT

Flight Diary from jammyhl:

Date of Flight: Fri, 3 Feb 2012
Site: Devils Dyke
Wing: Paraglider

After an aborted first attempt at launch (distracted by switching on the flight computer..) got into the air cleanly second time and had a great flight just beating up and down the Dyke amongst a dozen or so other pilots. This was a first time for me soaring after getting my CP last year, firs time with more than 1 other pilot in the air, and first time at the Dyke! Could only make 20 or so metres in gain and then chickened out of a top landing amongst all the other wings on the ground (need to practice that again...) so ended up with a flight to the bottom but 42 minutes of flying is more than 5 times my post-CP total previous air time! Many thanks to Craig and Gordon for the ride back to the car park.

Errrrrrr

Carole Sherrington — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:29 GMT

Reply to Forum message Re-Writing the Theory of how a wing creates lift... from Carole Sherrington:

I thought it was the "equal transit time" part of the theory that he was de-bunking.
Bernoulli applies for adiabatic processes; I'm not convinced that paragliders fly quick enough for that to apply.
There's a whole load of stuff going on, in different conditions.
My mental picture is that the curvature of the wing is there to encourage the air to stick to it, to curve round and be deflected downwards. Because the air now has downwards momentum, a force has been applied to it and by reaction, it has applied a force to the wing.
Although there's all sorts of presure differentially doobries going on, it will give you brain ache if you think about it too deeply. I stand a bit further back and think about the air going in and the air going out. A stall occurs when the radius of curvature required is too tight and the air separates from the wing and is no longer encouraged to flow downwards.....lift is lost.
There's a type of wing called a Jedelsky aerofoil, and single surface HG's are a good approximation to it. Basically it's a plate that's curved, so the top and bottom surfaces are the same. There shouldn't be a pressure difference according to a simple Bernoulli-ism, but it definately produces lift.
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Hi Bruce, My understanding

Sub Divo — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:23 GMT

Reply to Forum message Annecy 2012 from Sub Divo:

Hi Bruce,

My understanding is that it's taken the second week, but we're only there for the first week anyway.

It looks like we have one other person interested, but we really need four to make it viable. We're also looking into renting a mini-van as well, but again, only if the interest is there.

If anyone is interested in the accommodation and\or transport, let me know ASAP and hopefully we can get something arranged.

Best wishes, David

It's not you

ChrisTownsend — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:25 GMT

Reply to Forum message Re-Writing the Theory of how a wing creates lift... from ChrisTownsend:

I hate science journalism.

That smile

ChrisTownsend — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:15 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Short video of my First flight in ages... from ChrisTownsend:

Great to hear you're back in the air Scott and sorry to have missed it. That smile says it all!

Coincidentally, I was also flying in a 15-20 mph NNE on that day, with JB and friends, at Mirador, the huge volcanic bowl and ridge in the northern tip of Lanzarote.

Hope to see you out again soon.

Andrew Craig's LIDL flying suit

John Porter — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:05 GMT

Reply to Lost and Found Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses from John Porter:

Doesn't look like a LIDL, looks more like a medium to me.

(Other sizes are available:- http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&biw=1071&bih=878&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=_lmu7YIf-TYqnM:&imgrefurl=http://cosmobells.blogspot.com/2010/10/little-large-around-old-camp-fire.html&docid=yQc9X2kX_JFg3M&imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DWmfx0Iz3Zc/TL1Ae0BL4bI/AAAAAAAAFJA/4Kh0-TxBN7E/s1600/front.jpg&w=1584&h=1600&ei=vL4rT52QCcbL8QO86dWdDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=461&vpy=363&dur=1154&hovh=226&hovw=223&tx=121&ty=125&sig=103240439959096329696&page=1&tbnh=159&tbnw=178&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:16,s:0)

doussard apartment

brucemoore — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:53 GMT

Reply to Forum message Annecy 2012 from brucemoore:

David,
sorry probably not the reply you are after, just a question. I'm planning to camp, but only (assuming I can pin work down tomorrow) for the second week. What's the score with the apartment - do you know if it's available then?
thanks
bruce

No thermals (for me)

MikeT — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:30 GMT

Flight Diary from MikeT:

Date of Flight: Sun, 29 Jan 2012
Site: Bo Peep
Wing: Paraglider

It was foggy until 10:30 and then the lifting cloud revieled just how many pilots there were on the hill. It was packed. Did one beat on the main ridge and then about 12:30 wandered West of the car park where it was quieter. Had some nice soaring close to the hill for a while, but then had to leave just as it looked to be getting thermic. Still, it was nice to dust the cobwebs off. The vid is available here http://youtu.be/eM48imjJ5ec but the quality's not the best as I had to improve the brightness given the original footage was so dark.

I still let can't read :)

Robbie — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:25 GMT

Reply to Forum message Re-Writing the Theory of how a wing creates lift... from Robbie:

Nothing gets by you does it Steve, lol

I looked at what I wrote, realised I didn't quite read the original post properly so felt a plank and that it was easier to simply delete and admit I messed up again.

Sorry for all those who may have wondered what crap I came up with this time. Still think this physicist is wrong though.

The way I look at this is simply, the parcel of air over the upper surface has to expand across the chord of the wing to keep up with the air below (which is compressed?). To expand that parcel of air without adding anything to it must result in a drop of pressure and it is that drop in pressure that must equalise with the surrounding that lifts the wing (2 thirds) in addition to the positive pressure (1 third) that forces up from below. Think I got that right :)

For those that didn't get a chance to read my previous rubbish, I thought the guy was talking about the surface being curved as being the reason for the drop in pressure but I think he actually just said shape. As Steve said, I wing can be simply a flat plate, my understanding is that it's the positive angle of attack that results in lift, just stick your hand out of the car window while your mates doing 100mph+ to see what I mean. I wing doesn't need to be curved, just a curved one is much better.

There you go, Robbie's long winded crap haha !!

Newton v Bernoulli

steveu — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:03 GMT

Reply to Forum message Re-Writing the Theory of how a wing creates lift... from steveu:

Tragic, you deleted the long Newton v Bernoulli spiel! Still showed up on RSS though!

A wing is half a 2D venturi. A flat plate can still be half a venturi, but not as good.

This little revelation hasn't changed the way aircraft are designed, or fly, but simply results from and over simplification.

In the absence of energy input,

Pressure + kinetic energy per unit volume + potential energy per unit volume = constant.

Edit: Put in an = sign rather than a + so had to correct it.

SteveU.
HG/PG.

Not quite

Robbie — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 08:54 GMT

Reply to Forum message Re-Writing the Theory of how a wing creates lift... from Robbie:

Scrap that, helps if I read properly lol *EPIC FAIL*

Welcome Back

Beanie — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:58 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Short video of my First flight in ages... from Beanie:

Good talking to you the other day Scott... Glad you had a good flight... Nothing like air time to put a smile on your face...

Welcome Back

Beanie — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:58 GMT

Oh no not the tree, ouch,

Mr Flibble — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:51 GMT

Reply to Forum message that will shut her up..... from Mr Flibble:

Oh no not the tree, ouch, who put that ditch there ? :)

Lift Theory

Dave N — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:31 GMT

Reply to Forum message Re-Writing the Theory of how a wing creates lift... from Dave N:

Is it me, or is that just another way of saying the same thing ?

Re-Writing the Theory of how a wing creates lift...

AndrewEeles — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:19 GMT

Forum message from AndrewEeles:

The classic explanation of how a wing generates enough lift to keep a plane or a bird in the air is wrong, according to a Cambridge University physicist.

Many textbooks and aircraft manuals say that a wing produces lift because air travelling over the curved topside of a wing has to travel further than wind flowing around the flat underside and so has to travel faster to keep up, generating lift. But this standard explanation has been shown to be wrong by a simple experiment where a wing is placed in an air tunnel with jets of smoke flowing over the upper and lower surfaces, said Professor Holger Babinsky.

"A wing lifts when the air pressure above it is lowered. It's often said this happens because the airflow moving over the top, curved surface has a longer distance to travel and needs to go faster to have the same transit time as the air travelling along the lower, flat surface," he said.

"But this is wrong," said Professor Babinsky. "In the worst case, [this explanation] can lead to a fundamental misunderstanding of aerodynamics.".

A video of the experiment carried out at Cambridge shows that air does indeed move faster over the upper, curved surface of a wing, but this is because of the curvature of the upper surface. The air does not move faster in order to "catch up" with the air moving over the relatively shorter distance of the lower wing surface, Professor Babinsky said.

The slow-motion video of the smoke jets shows that the air moving over the upper surface of the wing travels further in the same amount of time than wind flowing past the lower surface. In other words there is no "equal transit time" between the upper and lower surfaces, as demanded by the classic explanation.

"What actually causes lift is introducing a shape into the airflow, which curves the streamlines and introduces pressure changes @ lower pressure on the upper surface and higher pressure on the lower surface," Professor Babinsky said.

Their sunglasses may be

Andrew Craig — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:38 GMT

Reply to Lost and Found Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses from Andrew Craig:

Their sunglasses may be excellent, but their website crashed my computer. I see their slogan is "See the brilliance"; I thought sunglasses were supposed to stop the brilliance?

The best sunglasses I ever had were glacier goggles made by Bloc or some such cheapish outfit; they really did make it easier to see the shape of clouds. I've never found another pair that do that.

And the flying suit is a genuine SupAir, with repairs from when I bounced on a barbed-wire fence hand-stitched by my good self.

It all in the lenses

Nick Rosenberg — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:38 GMT

Reply to Lost and Found Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses from Nick Rosenberg:

It's all in the lens technology. I reckon you can see the difference immediately if you compare them with the vision from a cheap pair.

Read about their lenses HERE.

Er, would that be the LIDL flying suit in your profile pic, as recommended last year on this site?

;0)

External Influences.

Neville Styke — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:47 GMT

Reply to Forum message that will shut her up..... from Neville Styke:

I don't think it was the driving that got her excited; turns out she could see Steve, on a landing approach on his rigid, in the corner of her eye!

" It's got to be rough to be good!"

Kevie-Wevie's tandem training

steveu — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:05 GMT

Reply to Forum message that will shut her up..... from steveu:

Reminds me of the scenes during Kevie-Wevie's tandem training.

The tandem instructor regretted giving the "Goat Overlord" the controls, and he screamed MUCH louder.

What was the difference between the car gearbox and the passenger? When the car came to a halt the gearbox stopped whining.

SteveU.
HG/PG.

The hardest and most onerous

steveu — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:56 GMT

Reply to Forum message CAA approves transition altitude change for south east England from steveu:

The hardest and most onerous limit has always been the 3.500ft one.

Nothing has changed there.

SteveU.
HG/PG.

Cayenne 4 released

steveu — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:52 GMT

Forum message from steveu:

Hi Neil (and other Skywalk Cayenne fans),

The Cayenne 4 is out, so please can someone go and get a 100-120 size so I can have a cheap glider in two years time.

The gold colour on the C3 is pass@ now, so visit the Skywalk Cayenne 4 page and order your colour schemes now.

I'd prefer you order the green colour scheme, and please Neil, don't fill it with that horrible volcanic or desert dust this time.

And there's more....

davem — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:00 GMT

Reply to Forum message CAA approves transition altitude change for south east England from davem:

Just in from the CAA:

This Information Notice is to advise that the Civil Aviation Authority has launched a formal consultation with UK aviation stakeholders on the policy to introduce a Harmonised Transition Altitude of 18,000 ft in the London and Scottish Flight Information Regions.

...so no more flight levels for us - it'll all be absolute heights. No more squeezing an extra 500 foot 'because the pressure's high'...

But they don't say "Maui

Andrew Craig — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:56 GMT

Reply to Lost and Found Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses from Andrew Craig:

But they don't say "Maui Jim" on them in big letters -- in fact, they have no visible branding at all. Just like my cheapo ones, in fact!

Oh Andrew, you simply do not

Lucho — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:39 GMT

Reply to Lost and Found Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses from Lucho:

Oh Andrew, you simply do not understand the psychology of branding and status. They are better because they identifiably cost more and can only be acquired by better people. UV, polarisation - all insignificant.

By the way; I have lost a pair of expensive Jim Maui sunglasses, model 'tortoise'. I would like them back as my self-esteem is exposed to the elements without them. Nominal reward offered.

Better in what way? They sit

Andrew Craig — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:22 GMT

Reply to Lost and Found Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses from Andrew Craig:

Better in what way? They sit on your nose, they keep out some of the light (and all the UV), they look a bit cool -- but so do my £5.99 shades from the local chemist. How are posh ones better?

Best you can get

Nick Rosenberg — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:01 GMT

Reply to Lost and Found Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses from Nick Rosenberg:

Best sunglasses you can get. Better than Oakley in my opinion. The older laminated glass lenses are the best, but heavy.

Planning on doing something

Mr Flibble — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:12 GMT

Reply to Forum message that will shut her up..... from Mr Flibble:

Planning on doing something similar Franco?

that will shut her up.....

flybrazil — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:08 GMT

Forum message from flybrazil:

happy days....
http://uk.autoblog.com/2012/01/31/could-racing-drivers-wild-passenger-ride-end-in-divorce/

You have to clip into your

Andrew Craig — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:20 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Fatal fry-up from Andrew Craig:

You have to clip into your glider backwards!

When I said Beachy Head, I meant Bo Peep, of course. Edited now.

Fatal fry-up

Andrew Craig — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:18 GMT

Flight Diary from Andrew Craig:

Date of Flight: Mon, 30 Jan 2012
Site: Bo Peep
Wing: Paraglider

Steve Purdie, the Australian cyclists and I waited for the wind, and about 1030 decided to go for breakfast in the greasy spoon cafe by Lewes jail while it came on. Not surprisingly, we got back about 1200 to find it had been good while we were away, with many hundreds of feet to be had (cloud suck?). It then remained scratchy at best for the rest of the day.

Bloody hell, I've just

Andrew Craig — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:17 GMT

Reply to Lost and Found Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses from Andrew Craig:

Bloody hell, I've just looked up the price! I'm tempted to hold them to ransom. But no, if they're yours, tell me the model number or name and I'll hand them over.

How does that work

Nick Rosenberg — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:10 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Fatal fry-up from Nick Rosenberg:

Beachy head, wind NE. How does that work?

I'm missing the plot somewhere. :-)

Maui Jims?

Nick Rosenberg — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:04 GMT

Reply to Lost and Found Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses from Nick Rosenberg:

They might be a pair of Maui Jims. If so, they're very expensive and someone will be pleased to get them back.

Maui Jims usually have a model number beginning with MJ on the inside of one of the arms. If so, you can google it for the style name.

They usually have a Maui Jim logo on the top corner of one of the lenses like Ray Ban and are also polarised.

Could be an older model.

Steve Purdy had a pair. Just checked on mine and they're still in the case.

The retreat from Moscow... (+ pics 'n' video)

Andrew Craig — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:43 GMT

Flight Diary from Andrew Craig:

Date of Flight: Tue, 31 Jan 2012
Site: Bo Peep
Wing: Paraglider

...was what sprang to mind as the Mad Farmer, Bobby Brown and a few others turned round in the driving snow and wind to walk back down from half way to the trig point (Dave Massie, of course, was flying). But I lagged behind, and rather than trudging through Orel, Vyasma, Bryansk and Belgorod, I noticed that it had eased a bit as well as stopped snowing. So I flew, going west beyond the trig point towards Firle and eventually back east to land beyond the quarry. Very nice.

In the morning, it had been scratchy, but I finally managed to sort out my getting-into-the-pod technique with an Ian Grayland-inspired bungee from my bootlace to the pod. It worked perfectly, and I could even walk, run and climb over stiles with it, so it must be the right length.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YKhxOzHZZk&list=UUZCRtcv3OmunNaqLLt8lrAg&index=2&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmtVfHYP7Dc&list=UUZCRtcv3OmunNaqLLt8lrAg&index=1&feature=plcp

Found somewhere: gloves

Andrew Craig — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:09 GMT

Lost and Found from Andrew Craig:

Using my stuff sack for the first time in a while, I found a pair of Specialized cycling gloves in the bottom of it. Not sure where or when I picked them up (or perhaps someone left them in my van).

Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses

Andrew Craig — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:07 GMT

Lost and Found from Andrew Craig:

Tortoiseshell frames, no brand markings except "Maui" in very small type on the inside of the arm.

Getting to grips with XC in the UK

JTurczak — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:10 GMT

Forum message from JTurczak:

This, I have to say, is a shameless plug. (if anyone sees a shamed plug let me know)
Here I am keen to learn about XC in the Uk and give it a go.
But where to start and who is in the know?

What's that you say, Carlo from Flybubble is running a Distance Learning Academy, covering XC and the Southern sites

But what about when to fly?

Well, how about that, he is also covering a weather brief and how to identify the possibilities.

Well, that's all well and good but it would be useful to go with an experienced pilot on a tandem to get some first hand experience.

I dont believe it ... there is also an instructional tandem flight included.

Guess its over to Carlo to find out more.....................

SHGC Annecy 2012 - Accommodation\Travel?

Sub Divo — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:05 GMT

Reply to Forum message Annecy 2012 from Sub Divo:

We have a few spare beds if anyone is interested...

http://www.shgc.org.uk/node/10288

Best wishes, David

Morocco - Anti Atlas and coast

Sky Paragliding — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:31 GMT

Event from Sky Paragliding:

Guided Week

The Location
Southern Morocco's fantastic climate and topographical set up is ideal for gaining buckets of airtime, coastal and thermic.The majestic foot hills and coast of the Moroccan Anti Atlas Mountains is the destination for stunning flying & super reliable conditions in the winter months.
We base ourselves In the small Berber coastal town of Mirleft.
From here we have easy access to a number of classic dune and coastal sites, as well as larger flying sites set slightly inland where a beautiful 5 km long ridge awaits you for soaring and thermic flights. This ridge boasts a privately owned manicured take off area with caf@, and large safe top and bottom landing zones, all of which are at your disposal on your course.
There is also the potential to venture deeper into the Atlas Mountains for some bigger stuff.

The Guiding
Guiding is led by top international instructor, Tim King.
We will take care of all those annoying logistics that go on behind the scenes on a flying trip so that you can be free to enjoy the flying and get the maximum and best quality flying out of your week.
We pick you up from Agadir airport in our 4X4 and whisk you away to the hotel which is about an hour and a half away. Once you've made yourself at home, and grabbed a cool drink, we will discuss what's in store for the week ahead.
Our knowledge of the area and local connections and great hotel will ensure that all you need to do is enjoy the flying.

You will be flying a variety of sites. Some coastal, some inland. If you thought coastal flying was a bit boring, well check out the scenary at Legzira beaches and fly the @Arches' @ mind blowing. Winter thermalling can be found in abundance just in land on the 5km ridge and blow your socks off thermals can be found deeper in to the Atlas.
Not just a guiding service.
As well as taking care of all the necessary logistics so that your week goes off smoothly from start to finish, Tim will be more than happy to coach you on any points of your flying that you feel may need tidying up. That could be anything from launch techniques, active flying through to thermalling skills

The Accommodation
We understand that after a hard day out on the hills, with the heat of the day and the expenditure of adrenaline, you will be ready for the comforts of a decent hotel and a sumptuous meal. In many places in Morocco and with other operators, this can be hard to find. However, our hotel is well equipped for all your comforts. Beautifully decorated in traditional Moroccan style, En-suite bathrooms with many rooms (first come first served @ book early), copious amounts of hot water, roof sun terrace for that morning tea or coffee or star gazing, atmospheric restaurant and bar to reminisce on the days adventures over a beer or one of the hotels speciality appetizing dishes. There is also free Wifi throughout the hotel.
Our courses are on a full board basis so we set you up in the morning with a hearty breakfast. A packed lunch is provided for the day ahead, although there are plenty of local shops that will sell you anything else that you may require. Topped off in the evening by a selection of meat/fish or vegetable dishes. Sometimes local Spider Crab or Lobster is on the menu, fresh that day, a small supplement may apply to these.
To ensure that you get the best possible service, our maximum group size is just 8 pilots per week.

Cost £575
Purchase a new wing from us and you get your guided week for FREE!

Included in our Guided week
7 nights FULL BOARD shared room basis or single room supplement £80 extra
Breakfast, packed lunch, evening meal
Airport transfers
Transport
Guiding & coaching
What's not included:-
Flights to and from Agadir
Site fees (only on one site at approx. £2.50/day)
Drinks (bottled water is supplied with lunch)
Medical/holiday insurance (available from www.jsinsurance.co.uk)
Any other activities other than paragliding such as quad biking, horse riding etc.

All details on www.skyparagliding.co.uk

Tim King

SHGC Annecy 2012 - Accommodation\Travel

Sub Divo — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:10 GMT

Forum message from Sub Divo:

Hello Everyone!

A friend and I are looking at booking a (nice) apartment in Doussard for the first week of the Annecy trip, the 31st March - 7th April.

The apartment has three bedrooms, so we currently have a room spare which has a bunk bed. If anyone is interested it will work out at £125 for the week. This includes accommodation for seven nights, linen, cleaning, utilities and breakfast cereals etc.

Given that we've currently made no travel plans, we're particularly interested in hearing from anyone who would be willing to provide transport to/from Annecy (for two) in exchange for free accommodation.

The date out may be flexible (going on the 30th) but the return date is fixed unfortunately.

Best wishes, David

Good day, 18 hangie's on the hill.

Youngie — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:41 GMT

Flight Diary from Youngie:

Date of Flight: Sat, 28 Jan 2012
Site: Firle
Wing: Rigid HG

The thermals were very weak,but lots of them. Flying over,then down the pub for a drink,thanks Scott.

Well I could do John, but

davem — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:47 GMT

Reply to Forum message Links to other web sites from davem:

Well I could do John, but they're already in 'links to other sites', filed under the more obvious 'links' menu item, so I don't need to...
If you have some links you'd like to see, add them here.

Links to other web sites

Youngie — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:58 GMT

Forum message from Youngie:

Could you put links to other web sites into knowledge base, please Dave M ?

LOL

ScottD — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:24 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Short video of my First flight in ages... from ScottD:

you make me laugh Carol - well done for that nice top landing, a good day was had by all...

it was great when I flew to Bo Peep only to turn round and see about 15 hangies all along the ridge...

a fab day...
--

my flying and photos are here... http://www.stovolando.co.uk

; )))

Miles — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:55 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Short video of my First flight in ages... from Miles:

Yup, It WAS good to see you back up with us Scot ... no-one like to see an Angel with their wings clipped to THAT long

hEY Any chanCe you can put YOUR vid on a mem stick by Tues Chess? just that the IT police have block U-tube & I can't get WiFi at Firle ; ))

Well done mate!

LukeNicol — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:35 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Short video of my First flight in ages... from LukeNicol:

Thanks again for the beer, I was slightly annoyed, first day back after 7 months and you were still higher than me 90% of the time!! Glad to see you in the air now and not looking at you back on the ground, but who is going to take your position of cliff launch assist!

1st up, almost last down!

LukeNicol — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:29 GMT

Reply to Forum message Luke stealing my thunder from LukeNicol:

I was pleased to be first up at around 9.45 and as I saw only you up thought I should go for first up last down, but 2 minutes after I landed Ozzie spotted some circling gulls and leaped of the hill. Oh well, next time.

"BOOM" and another sporran explodes with fright.

Carole Sherrington — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:39 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Short video of my First flight in ages... from Carole Sherrington:

That was a Scotsman's "all".

Good to see you out and about again Scott.
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"That's rule number four!"

Also seemed to have missed the beer......

Catherine — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:17 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Short video of my First flight in ages... from Catherine:

..... But glad to see you had a good 'un after our pre flight faff & gossip.

welcome back

AndrewEeles — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:09 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Short video of my First flight in ages... from AndrewEeles:

what a cracker of a day to return to the air...

Links to other web sites

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Luke stealing my thunder

Dan Balla — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:04 GMT

Forum message from Dan Balla:

It wasn't my purpose for the day, but as I was setting up my approach I thought I was the last pilot in the air. However, you can see Luke on video launching just as I was coming in. However his little victory was short lived as Ozzie had the final flight afterall :)

http://youtu.be/dF_dbJVdJ4Y

PS. Sorry about the rough video, I need to get my hands on some decent video editing software. Any recommendations? (Win7 OS).

Well done

Dan Balla — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:51 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Short video of my First flight in ages... from Dan Balla:

Nice one mate! It is good to see you back in the air, where you belong.

Cheers,
Dan

Unique.

Neville Styke — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:19 GMT

Reply to Forum message Stolen Kit from Neville Styke:

There can't be many with @@@BIX@@@ written on the side.

" It's got to be rough to be good!"

Dry Saturday.

Neville Styke — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:17 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Short video of my First flight in ages... from Neville Styke:

Uh.......? I missed out on a beer?!!

" It's got to be rough to be good!"

Short video of my First flight in ages...

ScottD — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:04 GMT

Flight Diary from ScottD:

Date of Flight: Sat, 28 Jan 2012
Site: Firle
Wing: Flex HG

A tempting northerly forecast came along at the same time my leg was finally feeling strong enough to launch with... so it was off to Firle and a rather nervous return to the air after my accident last June...

It was a distinct pleasure to buy you all a beer in the pub afterwards - it felt so good to be in the air again...

Endless thanks to all those who have helped and encouraged me over these last months... in particular Ozzie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D1qEjBqpTk

:-)))

The best day this year

Dan Balla — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:06 GMT

Flight Diary from Dan Balla:

Date of Flight: Sat, 28 Jan 2012
Site: Firle
Wing: Flex HG

What an excellent turnout at Firle today!
We had lots of fun, and we enjoyed the whole ridge from Beddingham to Bo Peep, with lots of thermals to play around.
Great to see so many pilots, and especially to see Scott back in the air.
Come on spring!
Mote photos here: https://picasaweb.google.com/daniel.balla/Firle28Jan2012?authuser=0&feat=directlink

Pleasant morning at Firle

Mark_t — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:30 GMT

Flight Diary from Mark_t:

Date of Flight: Sat, 28 Jan 2012
Site: Firle
Wing: Paraglider

10am-11.30am was pleasant for PG flying at Firle - sunny, small thermals, whole north ridge flyable, and good airmanship, so not crowded. The wind then got up a little and we left it to the HGs

uneventful flight, no Sunset, but very interesting discoveries!

Thomas — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:53 GMT

Flight Diary from Thomas:

Date of Flight: Fri, 27 Jan 2012
Site: Mount Caburn
Wing: Paraglider

Just wanted to have a little late afternoon flight, I love flying while the sun is setting! Unfortunately a weather front was approaching when I passed Lewis (at 4 pm) and that was the "beautiful" sunset. Coming from Lewis I had seen a Glider in the air on Caburn, which looked promising. Wind was still fine on the bottom of the hill and I made my way up, finding medium wind and a not too fast approaching front. When I reached the top I found Laura and Ashley from Australia just packing up their wings, really praising the smooth flying conditions here. Starting to chat to them I found out that they are touring the south east on a Tandem bike (!) with trailer (!), with full camping gear (!) and 2 paragliders on board (!). They were just about to pitch up tent nearby for the night, hoping for tomorrows weather to be flyable! Coming from hot Australia they did not seem to mind the English winter temperatures at all, absolutely amazing!!! They intend to be around as long as it is flyable, you might meet them on the hill this weekend!

I had 20 uneventful minutes of ridge soaring and then decided to land because of the front and rain coming closer.

Stolen Kit

davem — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:15 GMT

Forum message from davem:

Judy Leden sent a message using the contact form at
http://www.shgc.org.uk/contact.

I wonder if you and your club members could keep your eyes open for our
Woody Valley Bix harness & a green Ozone Element paraglider which were
stolen from us at the end of May last year,?

This brand new harness which we had just bought for tandem flying in our
school, had a brand new Apco @@@Bi@@@ reserve in it.

The Ozone Element was one of our school wings and was almost new.

The harness is unique in this country @@" we are the sole importer for
Wills Wing and it is the only one in the UK (tho there will be another in
the Sussex area shortly). It is grey on the back, the rest is black.
Distinguishing features: the seat plate is REALLY wide
It has @@@BIX@@@ written on the side.

The Ozone Element that was stolen is - SIZE Medium- COLOUR stripes from
front: dark green, white, light green; SERIAL NO K25A-001

Very few pilots fly the Element as their first glider @@" once finished in
the school, they usually buy a higher performance glider.
These items have undoubtedly been moved on by the thieves. I found one of
the other paragliders they stole on Ebay - the thieves are prolific
burglars operating in the Wigan area.
We were not insured for these losses and have not been able to replace this
kit.

If anyone sees these items being flown, please could they let me know.

Many thanks

Judy

Judy Leden
Senior Instructor
Airways Airsports

I can't dance

Robbie — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:00 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Beachy to Cuckmere and back from Robbie:

I don't know Jhon/Jon/Jean, sorry, John ;-) but it was a nice flight, great way to see in 2012. Maybe I'll actually get out of my shell and join you all before my membership lapses on Jan 30th.

Here's to many more :)

Ghandi Gandhi

John Porter — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:06 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Beachy to Cuckmere and back from John Porter:

NOW what do I do?? Do I re-edit my edit so it will now read right but wrong? Or is that write but rong?

Top bloke

steveu — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:04 GMT

Reply to Forum message Radio connectors help from steveu:

When I saw this thread, I thought Steve P.

Then I clicked on it and lo and behold, Steve P + answer.

I'm still considering buying a Yaesu dual band for work.

I also have an airband Icom A20.I did have an Icom A2, but then found out that the owner and the person who sold it to me were not the same person, with the result that I had to post the radio back to the owner.

SteveU.
HG/PG.

Spelling

steveu — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:37 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Beachy to Cuckmere and back from steveu:

Our one seems to call himself Ghandi, unlike the Mahatma, whose name was Gandhi. Perhaps it's to avoid confusion.

Hi Andrew,

Wrong forum, this isn't Pedants' and Nitpickers' corner. ;-)

This is the forum where the goat allegations get made... ;-)

SteveU.
HG/PG.

Ghandi

david newns — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:22 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Beachy to Cuckmere and back from david newns:

The only thing we have in common is big ears,being lean and i can sit like him on my haunches unlike most western fat ...........
It is a very old surfing mates nick name that i have not managed to lose after 30 years and stems from a toga party and lots of beer. I spell it like that out of respect to him.

Ghandi

Spelling

Andrew Craig — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:33 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Beachy to Cuckmere and back from Andrew Craig:

Our one seems to call himself Ghandi, unlike the Mahatma, whose name was Gandhi. Perhaps it's to avoid confusion.

re spelling correction

Miles — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:57 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Beachy to Cuckmere and back from Miles:

Buddha late than never !!!!

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First Aid Course

simon — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:40 GMT

Reply to Forum message First aid course from simon:

The course is going ahead on the 4th and 5th of Feb. details to follow.
Anyone else want to join us then contact me on 07990574109
Simon

SHGC Annual General meeting

Chris Aegerter — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:49 GMT

Event from Chris Aegerter:

This years AGM. 7.30 pm on the 17th March at the Glynde Social Club, The Street Glynde, BN8 6SS

Any items you would like to see included in the agenda to me before the day please.

Chris Aegerter
bn276@btinternet.com
6 Hawks Road, Hailsham, East Sussex BN27 3BL

Big Boy

Neville Styke — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:02 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Feet in! from Neville Styke:

I thought I recognised the Massie chassis taking to the air!

" It's got to be rough to be good!"

cloud & rain

Wicus — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:28 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary Feet in! from Wicus:

I launched just as you were leaving, it was just a bit too buoyant for my liking and decided to land. 20min later the rain arrived - everyone landed and packed away just in time.

Feet in!

Andrew Craig — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:29 GMT

Flight Diary from Andrew Craig:

Date of Flight: Mon, 23 Jan 2012
Site: Devils Dyke
Wing: Paraglider

It was flyable, though not very pleasant, early on. I managed to get my feet into my new pod a bit more easily -- I even did it with big boots on. Tim King showed that it was much liftier further out from the ridge, but then it got too windy for most PGs, while the hanglies came out to play. After several cups of tea, it came on again, then got too strong for all but Dave Massie. A few drops of rain after 1530 sent me home, despit the easing wind. In my rear view mirror I saw four PGs up, but as I hit the A23 I drove through a heavy shower -- I hope no one got their wing wet.

Beachy to Cuckmere and back

John Porter — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:19 GMT

Flight Diary from John Porter:

Date of Flight: Tue, 17 Jan 2012
Site: Beachy Head
Wing: Paraglider

Arrived at Beachy around 11:30 and flew to Belle Tout Lighthouse and back. Later, (13:30 ish?) when the wind had turned a little more SSW me, Sebastian and [EDIT] Gandhi (not Ghandi, spelling mistake) did the cliff run from Beachy Head past Belle Tout and Birling Gap, along the Seven Sisters to the Cuckmere Valley and back. Nice thermals off the sea. A nice start to 2012 as I hadn't flown for 3 months. Flight took around 35 minutes or so.

The Guilty Party...

Steve Purdie — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:05 GMT

Reply to Forum message Overcrowding - now at Beachy Head ! from Steve Purdie:

Hi David,
I am pretty sure that the pilot involved was a non-UK visiting pilot, but that awaits confirmation.

TTFN
SteveP

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Blue - Pro Design Glider

Dmaid... — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:50 GMT

Reply to Forum message Overcrowding - now at Beachy Head ! from Dmaid...:

Steve
I have an identical glider but wish to confirm for the record that i am NOT the offending Pilot. DavidM

Here's a couple of .cuP files I have WIP

Miles — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:48 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary 1st flight using my Android phone HTC wildfire S running XCSoar software. from Miles:

remember you'll need to chnge teh extension to .cup

UK_ALL_2

is now has (i think) most/all UK free flying sites

and thanks to this brilliant little tool (see kink below) has correct altitudes

http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert?convert_format=gpx&form=elevation&profile_y_min=0.000001&form:add_elevation=auto

nb that link will add AMSL altitudes to pretty much ANY GPS file format, inc Google earth, which by default clamps waypoints to the ground.

UK GE_Airports_2011.txt
is what it says on the tin(for all you PPG, FLPHG, Microlite bods)

Thanks at Newhaven

Chris Boniface — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:34 GMT

Forum message from Chris Boniface:

After 3 nice flights soaring cliffs I totally stuffed up my last top landing. Thank you to Charlie and Hugh for helping me extract lines from bush on the 17th.

Boni

Here's the details of the SeeYou file format

Miles — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:47 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary 1st flight using my Android phone HTC wildfire S running XCSoar software. from Miles:

http://download.naviter.com/docs/cup_format.pdf

its pretty simple really

I've been using Excel to collate sites but XL & saving as comma delimited, but bloody Excel 2003 ALWAYS reverts to TAB delimited rather than COMMA delimited format, which is a nusance, if like me you tend to hit save randomly (you have to do a file save as each flippin time)

Would REALLY appreciate it if you can create a whole of UK sites file with correct Altitudes.

even better if your also willing to create regional versions eg South UK, Mid Wales, etc (well the weather does look crap for a few days), thouugh if you add the Club in field 11 I could split it up myself

incidentally I'm still trying to understand the intricacies of the Waypoint Style, wrt to how XCSoar uses / priorities them for things like Alternates (landing options) but "1" seems to be OK, I do have a good file of glider sites/airfields, should you need to be cheeky & outland (assume its of more use to us Hangies, than PGers, given you can always carry your wing home on the bus)
Look forward to your effort Dave

Cheers Miles

Looking better. If I can

davem — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:19 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary 1st flight using my Android phone HTC wildfire S running XCSoar software. from davem:

Looking better.

If I can work out the format, I can do a whole of UK (and Ireland, and France) version...

yaesu connector

Steve Purdie — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:47 GMT

Reply to Forum message Radio connectors help from Steve Purdie:

Hi Mark,
You need a Yaesu CT44, or for radios with the waterproof connector, a CT96.

These are available from all good paragliding retailers.

TTFN
SteveP

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yaesu connector

Steve Purdie — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:47 GMT

Morning Mark, I have a

Lucho — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:41 GMT

Reply to Forum message Radio connectors help from Lucho:

Morning Mark,
I have a two-pin to THREE pole single pin. I have used this in the past with my vx110, successfully. Your welcome to it until I might need it back (which is unlikely as i have not used it for years). If interested send me an address and i'll pop it in the post.

post AT lucho DOT net

Try here.

Carole Sherrington — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:34 GMT

Reply to Forum message Radio connectors help from Carole Sherrington:

Try www.thunderpole.co.uk

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Radio connectors help

MarkR — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:23 GMT

Forum message from MarkR:

Hi

Does anyone know where I can get an adaptor that would allow a headset with a two-pin connector made for a pmr radio fit my Yaesu vx110 radio which takes a single pin with 4-poles.

I tried Maplins but they didn't seem to have anything that would do the job. Can anyone suggest an alternative supplier? Or how difficult would it be to make one?

Thank you.

Mark

Boomerang X Certified

Steve Purdie — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:21 GMT

Forum message from Steve Purdie:

FW:
Just spoke to Gin and he tells me the Boomerang X small is 100% certified and the M and L should be finished this afternoon.

He is happy! more info:

https://www.facebook.com/ukairsports

Many Thanks
Steve Purdie
Winging-It Aviation Supplies
The Old Station
Glynde
BN8 6SS

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2nd go at attaching XCSoar .cup file

Miles — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:54 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary 1st flight using my Android phone HTC wildfire S running XCSoar software. from Miles:

trying again Dave

CAA approves transition altitude change for south east England

Steve Purdie — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:30 GMT

Forum message from Steve Purdie:

CAA approves transition altitude change for south east England
06/01/2012 10:00:31
Following a request from air traffic service provider NATS, the CAA has approved changes to the Transition Altitude* beneath the Worthing and Clacton Control Areas (CTAs) to the east and south of London. The approved change will harmonise the Transition Altitude level at 6,000ft for both Worthing and Clacton CTAs and align these areas with adjacent controlled airspace. The change does not include the creation of any new controlled airspace or changes to airspace classification. It will mainly affect airspace over the English Channel.

The CAA said its decision would enhance safety in the area by simplifying airspace structures and boundaries, and ensuring that all aircraft use the same Transition Altitude, removing possible operational confusion. The change is also in line with the CAA's commitment to harmonise Transition Altitudes inside and outside UK Controlled Airspace. It will also simplify operations below Controlled Airspace in the South East of England ahead of the London 2012 Olympics.

The CAA also pointed out that a major new initiative to raise the Transition Altitude nationally to a much higher level will soon begin its consultation phase. This initiative will enable subsequent redesign of Standard Instrument Departures allowing aircraft improved departure and arrival trajectories. These will have significant environmental benefits due to lower CO2 emissions from reduced fuel burn. It may also increase the airspace available to general aviation.

The CAA's approval follows a three-month consultation carried out by NATS earlier this year. The changes will take effect from 8 March 2012.

*A Transition Altitude is the level at which an aircraft's height changes from being measured in feet-above-sea level to a @Flight Level'.

I don't see the attached

davem — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:00 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary 1st flight using my Android phone HTC wildfire S running XCSoar software. from davem:

I don't see the attached file, Miles...

First Aid Course

simon — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:05 GMT

Reply to Forum message First aid course from simon:

The dates have changed a bit. The course will be on the Saturday and Sunday the 4th and 5th Feb. At £120 for the two days I think is very good value. Camping is also available if you need. We need to finalise no.s soon so get in touch if you're interested.
Simon
07990574109

UK flying sites waypoint file for XCSoar

Miles — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:00 GMT

Reply to Flight Diary 1st flight using my Android phone HTC wildfire S running XCSoar software. from Miles:

I bumped into you last Friday on BoPeep, & asking if you had a good XCSoar waypoint file set for UK ..... you said were using a Sailplane turnpoint file off the XCSOar website.

Thus it seems the one I've been busy compiling, may be of use to you

Note:

- UK_all.cup MAY be too big your your Andriod to handle, slow screen response, as its got pretty much ALL GB/Wales/Scot/OIW sites in there, suggest you try the other one 1st

- in either file ALL SHGC sites are complete

- However both files have a number of non SHGC sites where I do not know the height, where this is the case I've entered -99999999.0m (thus any XCSoar calc's, like required Glide, Arrival height above waypoint etc should be obviously wrong for these)

-Due to SHGC website rules, I've had to attached them as ".txt", so you will need to change the file extension from ".txt" to ".cup" to let XCSoar use it

eg UK-HG_Sites_incomplete.txt to UK-HG_Sites_incomplete.cup

Of course if you come across a better more complete data set pls return the favour

Tablets

MarkR — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:39 GMT

Reply to Forum message West Firle Today from MarkR:

What tablets are you taking Charlie?

Re pods: being a newbie pod pilot I have fixed a strap from inside the bottom of the pod which I attach to my left boot and can then lift the pod and get my right boot in. Berey told me the name for such a strap but it sounded rude. I hope I never have to get out of my harness in a hurry.

Mark

Boating with the SkySurfers

Neil Banks — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:07 GMT

Flight Diary from Neil Banks:

Date of Flight: Mon, 16 Jan 2012
Site: Other
Wing: Paraglider

After a quiet night at work I arrived home just after 7am. Sleep or fly? A quick look at Wendy and I grabbed my kit.
Due to work, social commitments and ropey weather I hadn't flown since October last year in France.
Thought about heading to Bo Peep but why sit in the car for an hour and 15mins when Mercury is only 45mins away. The soarable ridge at Mercury is a lot shorter than Bo Peep, especially when the areomodellers pitch up, but it's usually a lot less crowded. And so it proved today.
After a quick coffee stop I arrived at 8.30am. As the 1st on site I checked with the farmer that it was OK to fly, then had the whole place to myself for at least an hour apart from 1 areomodeller.
No great height gains, 100ft max at most, but I brushed off the rust and had some relaxed flying with only 3 on the ridge including myself when it got really busy!
In need of a snooze I finally packed up and left at 2.30pm. Still 1 in the air as I drove off and 2 above the ridge at Whitewool. Well worth a bit of sleep deprivation and the £1 daily site fee.

I just wondered, Charlie,

Andrew Craig — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:24 GMT

Reply to Forum message West Firle Today from Andrew Craig:

I just wondered, Charlie, did you see any pictures of me at Firle on Friday?

Thanks for the tip. Looking at the pics, it seemed that the pod was not hanging down very far, so I'll try Dave's tip about tightening the leg straps. I should also watch the Advance video about setting up the harness, and experiment while dangling somewhere other than in the air. And I may need some footwear other than big clumpy boots. It's lucky that on Friday it was always easy to get in for a top landing quickly... and that I have no plans to have children.

Big thanks at high and over

phil ettinger — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:48 GMT

Forum message from phil ettinger:

For those who like to know, the half a dozen who waited until the wind dropped from 17+mph to being able to take off, at around 2ish, and flyable for 1.5 hrs in strong conditions

This post is just to say thank you for helping me get my lines out from the big prickly bush after my dodgy hillside landing without you I would never have done it before dark.

So thanks again to Josh,Dicken and Dave, top blokes.

Nutcracker

Charlie Merrett — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:36 GMT

Reply to Forum message West Firle Today from Charlie Merrett:

Damn tablets.... how do I delete a post?

Southern Hang Gliding Club

This is the best explanation

Update...

Nice afternoons flying.

Intuition can be a dangerous thing

My first flight over 6 minutes...

Errrrrrr

Hi Bruce, My understanding

It's not you

That smile

Andrew Craig's LIDL flying suit

doussard apartment

No thermals (for me)

I still let can't read :)

Newton v Bernoulli

Not quite

Welcome Back

Welcome Back

Oh no not the tree, ouch,

Lift Theory

Re-Writing the Theory of how a wing creates lift...

Their sunglasses may be

It all in the lenses

External Influences.

Kevie-Wevie's tandem training

The hardest and most onerous

Cayenne 4 released

And there's more....

But they don't say "Maui

Oh Andrew, you simply do not

Better in what way? They sit

Best you can get

Planning on doing something

that will shut her up.....

You have to clip into your

Fatal fry-up

Bloody hell, I've just

How does that work

Maui Jims?

The retreat from Moscow... (+ pics 'n' video)

Found somewhere: gloves

Found at Bo-Peep: sunglasses

Getting to grips with XC in the UK

SHGC Annecy 2012 - Accommodation\Travel?

Morocco - Anti Atlas and coast

SHGC Annecy 2012 - Accommodation\Travel

Good day, 18 hangie's on the hill.

Well I could do John, but

Links to other web sites

LOL

; )))

Well done mate!

1st up, almost last down!

"BOOM" and another sporran explodes with fright.

Also seemed to have missed the beer......

welcome back

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The Bureaucrats

General

Other Clubs in the Region

Competitions & Leagues

Software

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Forums

When it all goes horribly wrong

Luke stealing my thunder

Well done

Unique.

Dry Saturday.

Short video of my First flight in ages...

The best day this year

Pleasant morning at Firle

uneventful flight, no Sunset, but very interesting discoveries!

Stolen Kit

I can't dance

Ghandi Gandhi

Top bloke

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Ghandi

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