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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: More Steve Pearson Interview Footate from Building Dreams

24 September, 2016 - 21:19
Author: designbydave
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:19 pm (GMT -8)

Everard wrote: Steve's more subjective method of flight test complement's Mike's more analytical style, by the sound of it. Mike,

Indeed. Most people aren't analytical and their view of how a glider flies is subjective. Steve's approach is maybe more relatable to what the customer experience will be where Mike gets actual data than can be used to compare, refine etc. Sounds like a good approach to me.

Everard wrote: glad to see that Steve says 'Um' a bit less often. He says 'You know' instead...


Everyone does this, we just tune it out most of the time. For some reason the camera makes it much more noticeable.
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: More Steve Pearson Interview Footate from Building Dreams

24 September, 2016 - 21:06
Author: Everard
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:06 pm (GMT -8)

Steve's more subjective method of flight test complement's Mike's more analytical style, by the sound of it. Mike, being a member of the Society of Experimental Test Pilots, likely picked up the method from those guys. Having said that, I recall he was always fairly analytical -- with his 'Answer Man' series in HG magazine back in the early 1980s.

As one who made the classic mistake of building what the world needs, rather than building what there is a market for (I am -- or was -- a software developer) I am particularly interested to here Steve's views on the business aspect of making hang gliders. (I started out building experimental hang gliders in the mid 1970s, but they were all at least one step behind the state of the art.)

Anyways, glad to see that Steve says 'Um' a bit less often. He says 'You know' instead...

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Hang gliding Videos :: Skip This Posr

24 September, 2016 - 20:22
Author: Eteamjack
Subject: Skip This Posr
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:22 pm (GMT -8)

Scrubbing this post
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Video: Scary Elevator Launch

24 September, 2016 - 20:02
Author: Stallpolicer
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:02 pm (GMT -8)

For days with a lot of action in the convective boundary layer it's safer to launch during nil or crosswind moments.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: "Pushing the Limits" of Me & My Sport 2 155

24 September, 2016 - 19:41
Author: Eteamjack
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:41 am (GMT -8)

NMERider wrote: Avolare wrote: ....Your hopefully, hollow threat to put a site in jeopardy, scares the crap out of me.
Keep in mind the same sort of thinking could've recently jeopardized Crestline. (think tree)
Avalore, My threat was a bluff in order to put the fear of God into two RDs who completely blew me off and to two club member/officers who threw down the gauntlet and accused me of meddling in their private club business when what I was complaining about was in fact everyone's business. It is everyone's business when a pilot places the public in harm's way as the Sandia bandit pilot did. As I have repeatedly expressed to mostly deaf ears with one very notable exception by Tontar, I have the fear of God put into me every time I see a pilot do something that could injure other people who have not waived their liability as we must do in order to have liability insurance.

If I fly down a canyon or ravine and I buy the farm, it's tough luck for me. If another pilots sees my videos of low-level X/C flying and sketchy glide-outs then emulates the feat and wins himself a shiny new Darwin Award just how does that make me responsible? How is that any different than Tom Mayer killing himself in front of 150 spectators at the Crestline aerobatics meet and then blaming Ryan or Aaron's loop videos? That's just patently absurd. We are all adults here and there and are capable of making our own decisions.

If someone watches my low-level X/C videos or Aaron and Ryan's aerobatics videos then fails to ask any of us for guidance to safely execute the same or similar type of flying just whose fault is that? I refuse to place any type of disclaimer on any of my videos unless there is a uniform program in place that dictates that each and every USHPA member must place some designated warning label on his hang gliding videos or risk suspension or expulsion from the organization.

How many pilots here actually get this? Question should I make a report to the RD about the guy who photo bombed me at the last CSS flyin scared the crap out of me and made me take evasive actions so that he could get on camera?
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Sail rips in flight

24 September, 2016 - 02:44
Author: Comet
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:44 pm (GMT -8)

Dave Gills wrote: Had to look up "Bettsometer"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bettsometer

Learned something

I know they use one at Mission Soaring when inspecting a wing.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Flying restarted after two years

24 September, 2016 - 02:35
Author: Comet
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:35 pm (GMT -8)

Don't accept anything less than ideal conditions for your first few flights - preferably lightly soarable so you will have some time to flail around the sky and reacquaint yourself with turn coordination before making your LZ approach. Sled rides aren't necessarily good - things happen much too rapid-fire between takeoff and landing.

I'm confident your old abilities will come quickly rushing back. Have fun.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: More Steve Pearson Interview Footate from Building Dreams

24 September, 2016 - 02:22
Author: designbydave
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:22 pm (GMT -8)

Part 6


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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: More Steve Pearson Interview Footate from Building Dreams

24 September, 2016 - 02:05
Author: designbydave
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:05 pm (GMT -8)

Part 5


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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: "Pushing the Limits" of Me & My Sport 2 155

24 September, 2016 - 01:56
Author: NMERider
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:56 pm (GMT -8)

Tontar wrote: That's a pretty good response, I appreciate it. Not that I would go along with banning videos of flying beyond the placards limits, but I have no problem with disclaimers being attached. That's kind of how things are done these days to prevent people from juggling chainsaws and cutting off their own hands.

Our sports have always been shy of exposing our vulnerable under bellies because we are never quite secure in our basic survivability. We can be shut out of sites pretty easily. Most work ends up being done quietly as a result. But I am totally with you that we need to raise the bar on our tactics dealing with issues that threaten the sites or the sport as a whole. My sense is that the paradigm change we need to see goes from top to bottom, and everyone needs to understand that and adapt to it and that will take time. With a culture that has traditionally been extremely kumbaya, with very weak adherence to its own standards and rules, it will take time and effort to shift to a more serious, more responsible pattern of behavior. The board members need time to adjust as well. We all do.

I think there are plenty of opportunities to act as case studies in how we make those kinds of transitions. The Sandia situation may be one of them. I know that our Chelan events are absolutely case studies on how we can do things differently to prevent the same pattern from repeating itself down the road. But I also think I that we need to work collectively and cooperatively to make these things happen. The proper channels need to be followed, and if the proper channels need fine tuning or even overhauling, then we need to work together to make that happen. We can't afford to cut off our noses to get things done.

Paul Murdoch is a good guy, and I believe that he is aware of the need to change his things are done, for the better, and for the future security of the sports. My best suggestion would be to be persistent with the proper powers that be, even if they seem to be hesitant to respond as desired. The art of negotiation is being able to convince people to listen to your ideas and then help to construct a way to implement them. Bravo!
That was superbly stated.

I have met Paul when he was on the road and visited the Sylmar club. I believe we have a very good face to he public at large with our current president.

I also agree with placing disclaimers and caveats in videos that show any type of unusually high risk flying activity and frankly, I don't see why this could not be added to the SOPs in some context.

I just got done debriefing a pilot who unintentionally found himself in a final glide down a long canyon to a small and unfamiliar little field and wound up with a damaged glider and some not-to serious injuries. No, it had nothing to do with my low glide-out videos but I don't think there is any harm in placing cautionary statements over the video. I will ask our organization attorney what his thoughts are on the issue. I would hate to place warning overlays using the YouTube annotation system only to find out that it creates an unforeseen liability exposure or other possible detriment.

I will be submitting the accident report via the AIRS system as soon as I get caught up with others obligations.

Cheers, Jonathan
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: "Pushing the Limits" of Me & My Sport 2 155

24 September, 2016 - 01:06
Author: Tontar
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:06 pm (GMT -8)

That's a pretty good response, I appreciate it. Not that I would go along with banning videos of flying beyond the placards limits, but I have no problem with disclaimers being attached. That's kind of how things are done these days to prevent people from juggling chainsaws and cutting off their own hands.

Our sports have always been shy of exposing our vulnerable under bellies because we are never quite secure in our basic survivability. We can be shut out of sites pretty easily. Most work ends up being done quietly as a result. But I am totally with you that we need to raise the bar on our tactics dealing with issues that threaten the sites or the sport as a whole. My sense is that the paradigm change we need to see goes from top to bottom, and everyone needs to understand that and adapt to it and that will take time. With a culture that has traditionally been extremely kumbaya, with very weak adherence to its own standards and rules, it will take time and effort to shift to a more serious, more responsible pattern of behavior. The board members need time to adjust as well. We all do.

I think there are plenty of opportunities to act as case studies in how we make those kinds of transitions. The Sandia situation may be one of them. I know that our Chelan events are absolutely case studies on how we can do things differently to prevent the same pattern from repeating itself down the road. But I also think I that we need to work collectively and cooperatively to make these things happen. The proper channels need to be followed, and if the proper channels need fine tuning or even overhauling, then we need to work together to make that happen. We can't afford to cut off our noses to get things done.

Paul Murdoch is a good guy, and I believe that he is aware of the need to change his things are done, for the better, and for the future security of the sports. My best suggestion would be to be persistent with the proper powers that be, even if they seem to be hesitant to respond as desired. The art of negotiation is being able to convince people to listen to your ideas and then help to construct a way to implement them.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: "Pushing the Limits" of Me & My Sport 2 155

24 September, 2016 - 00:45
Author: NMERider
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:45 pm (GMT -8)

Tontar wrote: .....I see Chelan posted and my skin crawled at the thought of Jonothan or someone else deciding they had a better idea of how to run someone's site than the local guys do.

Jonothan, your invitation to come fly Chelan is just that, an invitation to come fly one of the world's premiere flying sites, and NOT an invitation to intrude into the politics of its management. Thanks... Thanks good buddy. I appreciate your own and David's efforts to preserve and restore your world class, premiere flying sites. I promise not to meddle behind your backs. I never would have gone off half-cocked about the Sandia incident if either one of the two RDs for the SSA had acknowledged the emails of concern that I sent. All anyone had to do was say 'thank you for your concern--we are working on it'. Instead of responding, they both blew me off. I call this stonewalling and this repeated tactic by many RDs may lead to the eventual undoing of USHPA.

I would like the USHPA President to send periodic emails to all USHPA members that help educate everyone about just how important it is to protect the public from harm. I don't see this being done. I have never seen anything done to this effect. I wish there was more public discussion of this serious issue. I don't see it here other than when I bring the matter up.

The message needs to clearly state that each and every pilot must never place the public at harm or they will be promptly expelled. No more of this Barney-the-Dinosaur, kumbaya, hand-holding, campfire singing rubbish. We cannot be providing liability insurance to those who present such a bad risk. We are each and every one, an insurance investor whether we realize this or not.

As far as videos being a negative influence is concerned then I'd like to see every video posted online of a hang glider being flown outside of its placarded limits either removed or vividly flagged as being a negative influence on pilot behavior that is likely to lead to crippling injury or death. Let's not forget that one of our esteemed members of the Org is paralyzed from the waste down after trying to emulate a certain Austrian pilot's epic 80mph toe drag beneath a bridge. Not only did he nearly drown himself in the process but it nearly resulted in the drowning deaths of other Org members who came to rescue him.

Of course this is plainly absurd. We live in a free country with freedom of speech and if anyone wishes to tread upon anyone else's First Amendment Rights (FARs) then he or she will have hell to pay for. Tread on my FARs and you may wish that you had instead just stepped between a mother bear and her cubs.

P.S. If I ever have the good fortune to fly either Washington State or New Mexico sites I promise to study and adhere to the local club rule and procedures as well as the SOPs and the other FARs.
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Hang gliding Videos :: More Steve Pearson Interview Footate from Building Dreams

24 September, 2016 - 00:36
Author: designbydave
Subject: More Steve Pearson Interview Footate from Building Dreams
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:36 pm (GMT -8)

Here is the 4th installment of my interview series with Steve:


Link


Sorry for the extended delay in getting more of this up. I am going to try and get a few more parts up soon as well. Here is the link to the series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZbAxl62ULQt8KO1uyHemnQQARh-ZqBOb

And of course watch the film here https://youtu.be/k1utuIlstqs

And please, if you would be so kind, subscribe to my channel. I am going to try and get more content uploaded regularly https://www.youtube.com/user/designbydave
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: "Pushing the Limits" of Me & My Sport 2 155

23 September, 2016 - 23:02
Author: Tontar
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:02 pm (GMT -8)

Oh please, really? You're going to try to play the victim card now?

Here's a clue; a good many people recognize the real risks to our sports, and yes they also realize that our insurance coverage is a vital and necessary puzzle piece. You are not the only one who has seen the light.

The site seen in the video you linked is Chelan Butte. One of our local sites. We recently lost access to our best LZ there due to the actions of an irresponsible and unqualified pilot crashing into a crowd. A team of us are negotiating the situation to get it reopened. It will have stricter rules if it reopens. EVERY site ends up having someone who causes problems, and every site has people who try to clean up their messes. Those people who work to support site access do not enjoy those who screw things up for them, or make their site security less stable, whether it is the idiot who can't fly for s*** and puts others at risk, or does some bonehead thing like not tying their glider down, or even those who meddle behind the backs of those who work hard to preserve their sites.

I could TOTALLY relate to what David was saying about handling their situation quietly behind the scenes, and immediately after seeing what he said and feeling the same sort of protectiveness, I see Chelan posted and my skin crawled at the thought of Jonothan or someone else deciding they had a better idea of how to run someone's site than the local guys do.

Jonothan, your invitation to come fly Chelan is just that, an invitation to come fly one of the world's premiere flying sites, and NOT an invitation to intrude into the politics of its management. Thanks...

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: "Pushing the Limits" of Me & My Sport 2 155

23 September, 2016 - 22:44
Author: NMERider
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:44 pm (GMT -8)

The Incident in this video was a major contributing factor to the loss of our former liability insurance. Just like the nearly blown launch at Sandia Peak on September 4, 2016, by a visiting pilot who failed adhere to the local club rules, this visiting pilot equally failed by neglecting to tie down his glider also in deviation from local club guidelines.

Failure to protect the public from harm is our number one priority to the survival of hang gliding with the benefit of liability insurance. Without that liability insurance many of our best launch and landing sites will be lost.

The only apology that I wish to express is my genuine sorrow that too few pilots get this vital tenet to our survival as a sport. Scapegoating or attacking others moral character in order to draw attention away from one's own sins may ease a guilty conscience or two but it also serves to undermine the sport's future.


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Hang gliding general :: RE: Flying restarted after two years

23 September, 2016 - 22:40
Author: Eteamjack
Subject: tubege
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:40 pm (GMT -8)

Invest in a decent set of wheels at least in the beginning. I would think spares would be difficult to come by. My 6.5 in have saved me bundle
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: "Pushing the Limits" of Me & My Sport 2 155

23 September, 2016 - 22:24
Author: dc82467
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:24 pm (GMT -8)

"As far as the Sandia club is concerned, it is being well-looked after by USHPA Pres, Paul Mudoch because I reached out to him for the purpose of having the club consider ways to better protect spectators on that smallish launch ramp. I am also engaged in a conversation with Murdoch to help educate all USHPA members in the importance of public safety. Public safety. Did I happened to mention Public safety? Far too few USHPA members even get it. Public safety comes before pilot safety."

I feel compelled to defend our club. An investigation into this incident was started before JD stuck his opinions in. It started the day I saw the video by trying to determine when the launch was (Which JD helped determine) and inquiring around locally to determine who the pilot was. After that it has been an ongoing internal matter with the input from the very knowledgeable guides none of whom were present. The fact that Paul Murdoch, USHPA and the RRG know of this incident really has not altered how we have and will respond to this. We of course will gladly cooperate with USHPA and the RRG to make our site as safe as possible. But for Jonathan to imply repeatedly that the Sandia Soaring Association doesn't take this seriously is laughable at best. He has no knowledge of our site and safety systems which are easily arguably way better and more strict than any of the sites he starts his risky adventures from. (and no Jon I don't think you can argue that your antics don't have an influence over other young enthusiastic but inexperienced pilots wishing for the excitement and accolades)
One does not get signed off to fly Sandia without proving to several of the guides that you are a competent decision maker including leaving yourself an adequate glide to a safe LZ.
Rogue pilots are just that and do not in any way reflect on any club.
I am really sick of this self righteous narcissist attacking our club and it's associated members and guides with his ignorant commentary.

David Coleman
President
Sandia Soaring Association.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Flying restarted after two years

23 September, 2016 - 22:01
Author: seza
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:01 pm (GMT -8)

Thanks Dave,
I am in N Africa.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Flying restarted after two years

23 September, 2016 - 22:01
Author: seza
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:01 pm (GMT -8)

Thanks Dave,
I am in N Africa.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: "Pushing the Limits" of Me & My Sport 2 155

23 September, 2016 - 22:00
Author: Tontar
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:00 pm (GMT -8)

I think people are trying to figure out which posts are lies and which are true. Jonothan claimed to have called the service, and intended to push a complain to them about the local club, as well as his personal safety plan that he feels is a better plan long distance than what is in place on the local level.

Now the claim is that he never made a call at all. First it was a call, then it was a voicemail, and now it was no such thing. Is this really the year of altered reality and lies being so easily made and not held accountable for?

Seriously, when you lash out at a site that you have never flown, and likely never will, and claim to have contacted the particular land owners which in this case is the forest service, because of your own personal perspective on safety (which by the way is way too frequently called into question by others), you cross the line. It's very simple, you crossed the line, broke the code, stepped WAY beyond your jurisdiction. It gets called out, you feel embarrassed, and try to get the evidence erased by deleting the thread. That doesn't happen so you claim it was all a misunderstanding, it never happened, you just made it up to prove a point. That is bizarre behavior from start to finish.