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The camp fire :: RE: Ignore Report

28 February, 2015 - 02:41
Author: dayhead
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:41 pm (GMT -8)

Aw,c'mon guys, I wanna be famous too! Which of my flyin' buds will step up to the plate and ignore me?

Surely somebody here can recognize a true blue A-hole when he reads one!

It's not like I haven't tried....

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: What is the tightest LZ you have landed in ?

28 February, 2015 - 02:36
Author: dave hopkins
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:36 pm (GMT -8)

JohnFritsche wrote: Was that upper Parma in Santa Barbara, NME? I've always thought that LZ is insane, as there is virtually no room for error. I simply won't land there--I go into lowers. I know the local hot shorts routinely pull it off without incident, but most of them have at least once pounded into the lip, overshot and hit the tree, or hit a rock. I think it's the worst LZ I know of that's not designated as an emergency bailout.

I agree. I looked it over once. I thought it was an act of desperation. At least it's a bit up hill. That rock is a b#@%h. The air leading in there is not dependable either. I have stuck it tighter places. I would hope to make the beach, Most of the time.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Control bars: round vs airfoil

28 February, 2015 - 02:13
Author: Avnav8r
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:13 pm (GMT -8)

Hey,

I really like the safe-edge downtubes on my Freedom! I found them to be as comfortable as launching with round downtubes.

John Stokes
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The camp fire :: RE: "He's dead, Jim"

28 February, 2015 - 02:08
Author: Avnav8r
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:08 pm (GMT -8)

RobertKesselring wrote: He was my childhood hero.

In every situation I found myself in that I found distressing as a child I would would pull myself together and tell myself that being upset was emotional and not logical. Even though I now realize that we are fundamentally emotion driven creatures, and that trying to live otherwise is illogical, I like to think I learned a lot of mental discipline from Mr. Spock.



I agree! Nimoy's Spock was a great influence on me as well! Today, Scotty beamed him up! Thanks Mr. Nimoy!!!

John Stokes
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Theft of Q-440

28 February, 2015 - 01:42
Author: mbadley
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:42 pm (GMT -8)

That SUCKS, Rob....

Hope she gets picked up.
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Can you run glide, go-Prone. then go-up-right. and Flair?

28 February, 2015 - 01:40
Author: mgforbes
Subject: Re: Can you run glide, go-Prone. then go-up-right. and Flair
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:40 pm (GMT -8)

Roadrunner wrote: Should A Pilot while doing this, this being. in dead air, should said pilot be able to run on flat ground fast enough in order to glide a ways. Also, should said Pilot on Glider X, have enough time in the air to go prone, then return to an up-right, flair, and Done?

Much depends on how well the wing retains energy. With the flat polar of an ATOS, you can accelerate it enough to be well beyond stall speed before drag catches up with your leg power output. A moderate headwind helps too. The trick is to keep the nose down and run to maximum speed while holding the wing at a neutral angle of attack, supporting its own weight and some of yours without generating excessive drag.

Here's me launching at Woodrat. It's not a flat field, but it's a shallow slope launch. I keep the nose down and run it all the way off the hill. Note the climb-out right off launch, because I'm leaving with more energy than I need to sustain level flight. Some other launches from this hill show the glider dropping as it departs, trading altitude for airspeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_lAhPLT2jI

MGF

Hang gliding general :: RE: Control bars: round vs airfoil

28 February, 2015 - 01:35
Author: mbadley
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:35 pm (GMT -8)

I prefer the COST of the round tubes over the faired ones. BY FAR.
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Dream Sledrun

28 February, 2015 - 01:20
Author: Toomb
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:20 pm (GMT -8)

Wow! That was cool.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Control bars: round vs airfoil

28 February, 2015 - 00:24
Author: soar8hours
Subject: Control bars: round vs airfoil
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:24 pm (GMT -8)

You are so funny Flying Rabbit.
I started flying on bamboo wings in 1972.
And remember when I grabbed a round aluminum 1 inch down tube thinking it was slick & skinny :-) I also remember getting my first glider with the 1 1/8th inch diameter down tubes. I wondered why they needed to be so big? Later came the airfoiled. And they kept getting wider
I actually prefer the feel of the bamboo.
Every foot or so there was a ridge to help your grip!
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Incident Reports :: RE: Cross controlling bad approach & crash on a topless.

28 February, 2015 - 00:22
Author: lostgriz
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:22 pm (GMT -8)

NMERider wrote: lostgriz wrote: Tasi wrote: I haven't seen the video or read through the entire repetitive thread... So you haven't seen the video or read the thread, and you feel qualified to say that all 5 pages are non constructive; and you think we have all been in his shoes......when you haven't even seen the video. LOL This simply would not be hanggliding.org if Tasi had done his homework prior to drawing some conclusion and chiming in or even responding to the original topic for that matter.

Fair enough....
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"Better to have a shorter life that is full of what you enjoy doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts

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Incident Reports :: RE: Cross controlling bad approach & crash on a topless.

28 February, 2015 - 00:20
Author: lostgriz
Subject: Re: Are we done yet?
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:20 pm (GMT -8)

tom emery wrote: I know the guy. He is not a jerk. He is a good guy who posted a bad landing. He has taken it all in and believe me he knows he screwed up. He gets it. He has modified his behavior. On on one level this internet feedback works. On another level it really smells bad. So all you pilots out there who have never ever made a mistake...keep posting.

Glad to hear he is making some changes. There is no doubt that some feedback could be presented better, but it's the internet. No pilot is perfect, so I guess I don't get your final comment. Are you saying only a perfect pilot (which doesn't exist) is qualified to give feedback? I would hope that as this pilot learns from this, that he will be quick to share that wisdom with others.

I personally, want to be surrounded by pilots that will share their knowledge as well as their criticism with me. We should all have the ability to filter out the unqualified stuff. We should be worried more about learning and growing through these incidents and less about if someone framed their feedback such that it wouldn't hurt someone's feelings. There will always be keyboard pilots and knuckleheads that could have more tact, but the general theme of the replies is pretty consistent and accurate.

BTW I have posted a video with a learning opportunity, so I have been in this pilots shoes from that standpoint.

Fly safe friends!
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Wills Wing Covert

"Better to have a shorter life that is full of what you enjoy doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts

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Incident Reports :: RE: Cross controlling bad approach & crash on a topless.

28 February, 2015 - 00:20
Author: NMERider
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:20 pm (GMT -8)

lostgriz wrote: Tasi wrote: I haven't seen the video or read through the entire repetitive thread... So you haven't seen the video or read the thread, and you feel qualified to say that all 5 pages are non constructive; and you think we have all been in his shoes......when you haven't even seen the video. LOL This simply would not be hanggliding.org if Tasi had done his homework prior to drawing some conclusion and chiming in or even responding to the original topic for that matter.

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: What is the tightest LZ you have landed in ?

28 February, 2015 - 00:15
Author: NMERider
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:15 pm (GMT -8)

JohnFritsche wrote: Was that upper Parma in Santa Barbara, NME? I've always thought that LZ is insane, as there is virtually no room for error. I simply won't land there--I go into lowers. I know the local hot shorts routinely pull it off without incident, but most of them have at least once pounded into the lip, overshot and hit the tree, or hit a rock. I think it's the worst LZ I know of that's not designated as an emergency bailout. Yes John, this is the notorious Upper Parma and I came in heading SW rather than NW. Just past that rock the LZ begins to slope away heading SW while the NW heading continues to slope upward. All this according to Zippy when I discussed it with him a few months ago. My depth perception is poor and I have trouble gauging my relative position in space. I should have used the big drag chute as I had earlier in the day. I have heard from a number of pilots that they won't land there again. Lower Parma is much more forgiving. I prefer the beach or better yet, somewhere past Ojai.

The camp fire :: RE: "He's dead, Jim"

28 February, 2015 - 00:10
Author: RobertKesselring
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:10 pm (GMT -8)

He was my childhood hero.

In every situation I found myself in that I found distressing as a child I would would pull myself together and tell myself that being upset was emotional and not logical. Even though I now realize that we are fundamentally emotion driven creatures, and that trying to live otherwise is illogical, I like to think I learned a lot of mental discipline from Mr. Spock.


The camp fire :: RE: "He's dead, Jim"

28 February, 2015 - 00:07
Author: JR
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:07 pm (GMT -8)

I saw him in 1974 at a small theater in Sullivan, IL. It was a production of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and Leonard Nimoy played the part of Randall McMurphy wearing a leather Harley jacket and a lot of swagger. Having read the book, I thought he did the part better than Jack Nicholson did the following year when the movie came out, although Jack did a damn fine job!

JR

Hang gliding general :: Funniest HG quote ever

27 February, 2015 - 03:49
Author: miraclepieco
Subject: Funniest HG quote ever
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:49 pm (GMT -8)

With credit to mbadley:

"You know you are in trouble when you show up with your mylar topless, tricked out vario, pod harness, big ol chute pack and layers of clothing and the local dude has a 20 year old Pulse, a hockey helmet, faded cocoon harness, no chute or Vario, Teva sandals and a Dont Eat Yellow Snow T-shirt. He's gonna make you look bad...."

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Can you run glide, go-Prone. then go-up-right. and Flair?

27 February, 2015 - 03:39
Author: Nicos
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:39 pm (GMT -8)

Oh yeah, rigids.
Looked like he was running into a bit of a breeze, still, sweet wing!

Hang gliding Videos :: Great View of Rio and Naviter Oudie 3 in Action

27 February, 2015 - 03:31
Author: NMERider
Subject: Great View of Rio and Naviter Oudie 3 in Action
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:31 pm (GMT -8)

My buddy Reidar enjoying some time off the oil platform in Rio flying solo on a big, borrowed tandem plus ripping it up in the wispies. Great view of the Naviter Oudie 3 in action too.


Link

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Can you run glide, go-Prone. then go-up-right. and Flair?

27 February, 2015 - 03:28
Author: Roadrunner
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:28 pm (GMT -8)

Hi Guy's:


I, right now am only able to Fantasize about flying my Predator. But seeing that V-Q being run into the air gave me goose bumps. For now, I need to get my Air-Fix via flying a G-R-O-B-E

Guys, you know how a quality of a Good landing Hang-Glider Pilot is how that Pilot will Stuff the Bar upon Finale, skim the ground in Ground effect, bleeding off energy, then do an aggressive flair, finishing in a No-Step landing.

Flying the G-R-O-B-E it seems to me that if you get a little too aggressive with the stick, adding too much speed. Hell, you need to deal with all that speed. Man, these sail-planes have so much performance! I have been quite impressed with the performance. I do also have respect. I know that I could dig myself into a deep hole.

So, come Sunday, at 11:00 A-M I will be at it again. Yes this MAN-PRIMATE PILOT will be flying that big old Sail-Plane Yea-Haw!

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Can you run glide, go-Prone. then go-up-right. and Flair?

27 February, 2015 - 03:26
Author: Aldpal
Subject: Level ground
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:26 pm (GMT -8)

I am not convinced that was perfectly level ground, but still a nice demonstration.