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Hang gliding general :: RE: Very sad news

3 February, 2016 - 20:54
Author: Skyvine
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:54 pm (GMT -8)

Another sad loss. The personal toll is always far worse than any statistical one.

Hang gliding is dangerous, but it doesn't have to be this dangerous or deadly. The year has barely begun, and two fatal flights in just over a week.

I agree with JD on this, and wonder what we can each do to help ensure our own and our fellow fliers increased safety. How do we turn this trend around to avoid any more fatalities (for a while at least)? Better sleep? Better training? Better hydration? Better watching each other's backs?

While there are no magic buttons to push here and no simple answers, there must be something we can collectively do to create a safer flying environment.

Thanks and fly safe!

Hang gliding general :: RE: Very sad news

3 February, 2016 - 20:46
Author: HGXC
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:46 pm (GMT -8)

peanuts wrote: DAVE 858 wrote:

Looks like one of those gliders they use for tandem aerotow. ...

doesn't look like tandem gear to me. looks like wheel gear for non-foot landings.

Look at the wheel on the kneel.

Dennis
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Very sad news

3 February, 2016 - 20:31
Author: peanuts
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:31 pm (GMT -8)

DAVE 858 wrote:

Looks like one of those gliders they use for tandem aerotow. ...

doesn't look like tandem gear to me. looks like wheel gear for non-foot landings.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Very sad news

3 February, 2016 - 19:45
Author: nonewby
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:45 am (GMT -8)

Tough times for the locals, family, and friends around Dunnellon. The field was home to Gregg McNamee's Graybeard Airsports and now operates as Mid Florida Adventure Sports. Greggs death last July and now this tragedy ....I'm sure feelin' for you folks. Done my share of towing and I'm not pointing fingers...this is just my 2 cents...sounds like a lock-out on tow.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Very sad news

3 February, 2016 - 19:29
Author: Mr Pou
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:29 am (GMT -8)

DAVE 858 wrote: http://www.wesh.com/news/man-dies-in-hanggliding-crash-at-dunnellon-airport/37794860

Looks like one of those gliders they use for tandem aerotow. Anyone know what happened?

Article said it was on a power tow line, rotated right, then dove for the ground. Lockout?
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Very sad news

3 February, 2016 - 19:20
Author: DAVE 858
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:20 am (GMT -8)

http://www.wesh.com/news/man-dies-in-hanggliding-crash-at-dunnellon-airport/37794860

Looks like one of those gliders they use for tandem aerotow. Anyone know what happened?

Hang gliding general :: RE: Very sad news

3 February, 2016 - 18:36
Author: Mr Pou
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:36 am (GMT -8)



Not good, RIP.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: White peopling

3 February, 2016 - 18:16
Author: flyhg1
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:16 am (GMT -8)

HGXC wrote: NMERider wrote: Are you even capable to writing in plain and understandable language or this this a result of wearing your ass for a hat for so long that your grey matter and the contents of your colon become interchangeable?







Thanks Jon you made my day

Dennis

Mine too.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: White peopling

3 February, 2016 - 18:00
Author: Bouyo
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:00 am (GMT -8)

Love the ass-hat put down!

Seriously though; I showed this 'white peopling' definition to my Jamaican/Nigerian co-worker (who's from Chicago), and he completely understood the sentiment!

There are certain activities that will always have a greater white or black following, I guess hang gliding may be whiter than we'd like to think! I don't think it's racist to acknowledge that, it's just a thing.

I remember a number of Indians showing keen interest in Hang Gliding at our school and taking lessons too. Seems like there's definitely an Indian following for some reason here at least.

Hang gliding general :: RE: White peopling

3 February, 2016 - 17:51
Author: Darbbb
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:51 am (GMT -8)

I like to fly with the people I enjoy. I don't care about their level of melanin.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: White peopling

3 February, 2016 - 17:44
Author: Mavi Gogun
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:44 am (GMT -8)

NMERider wrote: Please go back to the Oz Report Forum and stay there permanently this time.

Johnathan, feel free to vent any issue you may have via personal message. This is no place to parade your enmity- nor is it your personal sand box.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: White peopling

3 February, 2016 - 17:40
Author: NMERider
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:40 am (GMT -8)

Mavi Gogun wrote: NMERider wrote: Are you even capable...

...of not being belligerent? Not attractive, Jonathan Deitch- nor constructive. You were not demeaned nor dismissed- there is no justification for your deportment. Please go back to the Oz Report Forum and stay there permanently this time.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: White peopling

3 February, 2016 - 17:39
Author: Mavi Gogun
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:39 am (GMT -8)

NMERider wrote: Are you even capable...

...of not being belligerent? Not attractive, Jonathan Deitch- nor constructive. You were not demeaned nor dismissed; there is no justification for your deportment.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: White peopling

3 February, 2016 - 17:37
Author: HGXC
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:37 am (GMT -8)

NMERider wrote: Mavi Gogun wrote: NMERider wrote: This topic belongs in the Campfire section.

No, it's highly relevant to the growth of our sport- the last place the discussion should be relegated is a dimly lit corner.

NMERider wrote: In Southern California we have active hang glider pilots from every ethnicity so the whole premise is ludicrous to begin with.

Your local environs are not the rule; some places are far more egalitarian than others. Here in Houston, many of our new pilots reflect the diversity of this part of our state. Still, while the premise of the lead post may be farcical and, to a degree, vile, it is, to a degree, a reflection. That isn't a constructive focus- but I reckon talking about how we can be more inclusive - and where growth opportunities are to be found -is in our interest... and, maybe, just maybe, essential.

Are you even capable to writing in plain and understandable language or this this a result of wearing your ass for a hat for so long that your grey matter and the contents of your colon become interchangeable?







Thanks Jon you made my day

Dennis
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Hang gliding general :: RE: The Hang Gliding T-Shirt Thread

3 February, 2016 - 02:27
Author: SeeHoweToFly
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:27 pm (GMT -8)

A shirt I gave to my students when I was teaching HG
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Hang gliding general :: RE: The Hang Gliding T-Shirt Thread

3 February, 2016 - 02:23
Author: SeeHoweToFly
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:23 pm (GMT -8)

An old Hat Creek shirt
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Hang gliding general :: Delta Airlines

3 February, 2016 - 01:58
Author: Ispyacloud
Subject: Delta Airlines
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:58 pm (GMT -8)

So I have a bunch of miles on Delta and would love to use them this year for a flying trip in Brazil. Has anyone had success getting their glider on Delta (I had heard of one but he was a little unsure about how it all went down).
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Fatality reported at McClure--Ken Muscio

2 February, 2016 - 23:20
Author: ChattaroyMan
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:20 pm (GMT -8)

Dang! Painful to read all the posts on the loss so many of you are feeling. Uplifting learning about such a fine pilot & pal. My heart goes out to all of you who knew Ken.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: The Hang Gliding T-Shirt Thread

2 February, 2016 - 22:05
Author: W9GFO
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:05 pm (GMT -8)

My oldest HG tee;

The camp fire :: RE: Dutch Police Train Eagles to Take Out Drones!

2 February, 2016 - 21:42
Author: NMERider
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:42 pm (GMT -8)

TjW wrote: .....So they can see drone rotors, but not windmill rotors. Seems odd. Drone rotors are very close in size and position as an opposing bird's talons which is something that thousands of eagle generations would have bred into the species' neurology. Wind turbines (they're not windmills) have only been around for a few eagle generations and the Darwin Awards are currently being doled out. It is probable that eagles who successfully navigate past wind turbine blades will breed this quality into the species while those that fail will be bred out.
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