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Foot Launched Powered Hang Gliding :: RE: The "ZEN launch"

20 May, 2015 - 02:06
Author: TjW
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:06 pm (GMT -8)

Wouldn't that be a Heely-copter?

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Intersting paraglider wake at Funston

20 May, 2015 - 02:02
Author: Comet
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:02 pm (GMT -8)

dave hopkins wrote: Comet wrote: Retaliate with a 70 mph speed run directly upwind of him!
Believe me, you'll wake him worse than he waked you.

I hope your joking? Intentionally waking someone could make us libel for manslaughter. Collapse a young PG pilot and they might not be able to recover.
Don't play road rage in the sky.

If they can't take a hang glider wake, they shouldn't be flying with hang gliders.


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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Intersting paraglider wake at Funston

20 May, 2015 - 01:52
Author: Karl_A
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 5:52 pm (GMT -8)

If you want to get dumped, cross a wake at a really shallow angle, nearly parallel to it.

If you don't want to get dumped, go straight across it, as perpendicular as you can.

Hang gliding general :: RE: yet another 1st glider question thread

20 May, 2015 - 01:36
Author: BikePilot
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 5:36 pm (GMT -8)

The freedom can be a little unstable on aerotow for a new pilot. I bought a used Saturn for my first and love it. Extremely stable on tow and flies very nicely off.

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Alpha 210

20 May, 2015 - 01:17
Author: BikePilot
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 5:17 pm (GMT -8)

My dad has a 210 and I trained on a 195. The 210 turns more easily and feels like it lands slower and more easily. Really great flying glider. Sinks very slowly. Doesn't go fast so not a good windy weather glider. The 195 and 210 are both great. Fly both if you can.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Intersting paraglider wake at Funston

20 May, 2015 - 00:35
Author: mlbco
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 4:35 pm (GMT -8)

Pec1985,

Have you ever flown similarly close to a loaded tandem HG? You'll get hit at least as hard!

Steve

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Intersting paraglider wake at Funston

20 May, 2015 - 00:34
Author: Nicos
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 4:34 pm (GMT -8)

You'll always be above the glider that made the wake if you are both in lift.

I give PGers LOADS of room when I'm upwind in ridge lift — don't want a death on my conscience thanks.

Hang gliding general :: RE: It must be the best glider

20 May, 2015 - 00:33
Author: butchpeachy
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 4:33 pm (GMT -8)

Winning a day is impressive to the pilot who wins that day. Yeah!
Winning the meet is impressive to everyone else. Oh Yeah!
Winning a day is were the pilot's flying style matched the conditions for that day.
I would have my hat handed to me if I competed in the arena of today's talented, more fit, smarter pilots on faster gliders with instruments that tell the pilot when to pull in for final glide to goal.
One factor remains true today as yesterday. If you can make goal everyday that is possible, you will win or come close to winning the meet. That takes a pilot of many flying styles. Fast or slow, stay in the air until you make goal.
Oh no, a story.
While on vacation, I flew a HG meet in Reno for fun. UP in England and Gibbo shipped me a prototype topless for the comp. The first day the goal people were closing and wrapping up but I was the last one to make it in.
The last day of the meet I was an hour ahead of the second flex wing to make goal.
Results: I won and got a slot for the World Team going to Italy. What?
Because, the Euros and the like were coming over to the USA and winning our meets that beat down the points left for the US pilots. Winning one meet put me on the team. HA.
I passed on going to Italy in part because of "been there, done that". Also, let someone else have a chance.
So what is it with those USA pilots that get displaced on the podium by other countries pilots? It was the same way when I competed.
I noticed that Euros, Aussies and South American pilots would help each other by sharing info. If a pilot was doing well, then the team would rally around to help him continue his success. It is similar to bike racing.
One for all and all for one.
I rarely saw a team attitude when I was on the World Team. We were individuals.
None for you. All for me.
On the contrary, Kraig Coomber said part of success for him, Robin and Michael coming in 1,2.3. was helping each other in the air and on ground during the 2014 Santa Cruz Flats meet..
If that being true, sounds good doesn't it? Hum...
Butch

Hang gliding general :: RE: 2005 Toyota Prius Hang Glider Rack

19 May, 2015 - 23:46
Author: HG_Aviator
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 3:46 pm (GMT -8)

Gottafly8 wrote: Wow, I'd love to see a pic of a first generation Corolla loaded up with hang gliders..
Not sure how the road up Kagel looked back in the day, but now I can tell you getting up it in a lower clearance two wheel drive would be quite the challenge, unless there have been some recent and significant road improvements.

Hi Gottafly8, I'm in the middle of a move (moving Friday May 22). As soon as I get unpacked, I'll post a picture of me and a WindSports employee helping me load my back then, new to me UP Gemini 164 onto my rack on my 1969 Toyota Corolla. The picture was taken on Van Nuys Blvd. in front of Joe Greblo and Rich Grisby's shop.

BTW, I just flew Kagel on Tuesday May 12. The fire road to launch was smooth compared to the early days.

Here's a picture of a close encounter on that day.
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Alpha 210

19 May, 2015 - 22:33
Author: JohnFritsche
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 2:33 pm (GMT -8)

If I could afford a 3rd glider, it would be an Alpha, the paraglider of hang gliders. If I could only have one glider, though, I would have to have something--like a Falcon or hotter--that could penetrate in higher winds. If you're flying mountains, there are going to be windy days that you can't safely fly an Alpha while other guys are up having a blast.

Hang gliding general :: RE: yet another 1st glider question thread

19 May, 2015 - 22:21
Author: JohnFritsche
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 2:21 pm (GMT -8)

I had been flying H2-H3 gliders for 25 years (Supersport, Ultrasport, Eagle, Saturn), with the exception of a handful of flights on borrowed advanced gliders, when I decided to pick up a used Predator. I quickly learned, almost in the hardest way, not to slip turns near the ground--like the turn onto final approach. I can't be sloppy on approach anymore and just dive my last turn if I'm too high--things get pretty exciting.

The camp fire :: RE: MS 150 Support Needed

19 May, 2015 - 21:07
Author: Jason
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:07 pm (GMT -8)

last time i did it we finished the first hundred after a little loop around carlsbad, then spent the night there, we then road carlsbad to sea world basically
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Hang gliding general :: RE: yet another 1st glider question thread

19 May, 2015 - 21:03
Author: Paul H
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:03 pm (GMT -8)

Comet wrote: The standard "glider progession" dogma is a great way for manufacturers to sell four gliders instead of one. Start with a Falcon, graduate to a Sport 2, progress to a U2, then finally a T2.
The trouble is that low-performing "forgiving" gliders do little except instill bad flying habits by allowing the pilot to get away with them repeatedly until they are totally engrained!
Over the years I have repeatedly watched pilots struggle when they move up to a new wing because they essentially have to be re-trained!

I personally started with a competition-level wing and learned to fly on that. VG off it had no bad habits or surprises. My flying improved DRAMATICALLY over the trainer I started on. I wondered why everyone insisted I stay on a glider that didn't fly nearly as well.


Bad flying habits are not caused by the wing. It's strictly the fault of the pilot. If a pilot struggles with a higher performing wing it's because of the pilot not being ready for it. Bad habits will not be cured by flying a higher performing wing, those habits will just be more dangerous.
If a pilot is really ready to move up it won't be a problem for them. A pilot who flys a low performance wing well will do better than a less skilled pilot on a higher performing wing.

The camp fire :: RE: MS 150 Support Needed

19 May, 2015 - 20:58
Author: designbydave
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:58 pm (GMT -8)

Jason wrote: designbydave wrote: Kicked in a few. When is the ride Jason? I'd like to come out and ride a bit of it with you guys.
oct 17 18 starts in Irvine the first day


Oh not until October, so you guys will have plenty of time to train to keep up ; )

Irvine to San Diego is one of my favorite rides. We drive to and park at the Irvine train station, then ride down the coast, take the train back. Fun times.
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Intersting paraglider wake at Funston

19 May, 2015 - 20:53
Author: Paul H
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:53 pm (GMT -8)

Why wouldn't it make sense? The air mass is rising so of course the wake will rise with it. It's not uncommon at a ridge soaring site.

Incident Reports :: RE: Another wingsuit fatality

19 May, 2015 - 02:36
Author: DAVE858
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 6:36 pm (GMT -8)

gluesniffer wrote: If I ever did another jump from a plane I'd want a wingsuit too. What I wouldn't do is see how close I could wizz by stationary objects.

Whizzing by clouds is a lot of fun & a lot more forgiving.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Man, not again...

19 May, 2015 - 02:33
Author: DAVE858
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 6:33 pm (GMT -8)

Just for the record, I did not view any video of the accident. The statements I made were in relation to the video posted of him thermalling which is attached in the first few posts.

Hang gliding general :: RE: It must be the best glider

19 May, 2015 - 02:12
Author: Busto
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 6:12 pm (GMT -8)

Who's winning?

Twenty-three Wills Wings Vs. Three Aeros.

That would make a great Kung Fu Movie!

Come on.... a lot of people likes the underdog.

"Oleg hasn't won yet, but he's doing the Bruce Lee shuffle as he wipes the blood off the corner of his mouth."

All for fun...

Spain has a solid representative... as does Australia.

This will be a great seven days.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: It must be the best glider

19 May, 2015 - 02:07
Author: davisstraub
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 6:07 pm (GMT -8)

Wills Wing won again. Eight days in a row.

:-)
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Man, not again...

19 May, 2015 - 01:57
Author: NMERider
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 5:57 pm (GMT -8)

dave hopkins wrote: ...Yes, there is video but the crash may have corrupted the last secs of the flight so the part we want to see may be missing. The police have it.... Typically, the last ~30 seconds will not be readable until the header data is re-written to include the binary data that does not show up. There is a more detailed technique in which each missing frame is recovered one at a time. Usually all but the last few frames can be recovered as long as no new data is written to the memory card. I have reached out to your club's accident review committee with this info.

I went through the video recovery drill when I flew into the ground and injured my neck. I keep the last few frames on my cell phone as a reminder of just how easy it is to wind up in the E/R.

Your comments about the unpredictably of the air near the mountainside at Ellenville are extremely valuable. I wish that all pilots everywhere would read your post.
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