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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Oklahoma Hang Gliding School in OK City?

22 July, 2015 - 17:14
Author: rgray
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:14 am (GMT -8)

You might also contact the Buffalo Mountain Flyers group down in the Talihina area. There are several flying sites in that area. At one time there were several OKC members that knew local businesses in that region.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 17:08
Author: Mr Pou
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:08 am (GMT -8)

Steve wrote: The Quantum 330 is a good chute and despite the small size, the 330 and the comparable 175 have a lower descent rate than all of the conicals, 20-gore PDAs and Metamorfosi that together have 100s of saves. That said, the 250 pack size is still very reasonable and the performance is a notch up.

Hi Steve, thanks for the info. As a rank newbie H2, I'll be purchasing a reserve chute very soon (my harness should be complete in the next 2-3 weeks) and I have a question. You list the LARA 250 as suitable for pilots up to 250#. Is this rating just the pilot weight? In other words, have you already take into consideration the weight of the glider and other kit?

I ask as I'm 200#, so with glider/harness etc., will be over 250#.

Thanks!
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Dreaming Awake at the Wallaby Ranch

22 July, 2015 - 16:55
Author: designbydave
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:55 am (GMT -8)

zamuro wrote: I must say though that the high speed final, inches from the trees and the ground looks pretty scary. I guess this is the HG equivalent in risk factor and excitement of wingsuit proximity flying.

That's Wolfie from The Rhythm of Flight - http://www.rhythmofflight.com/

Those "Swoops" are his thing. There is an epic video of him swooping under a bridge somewhere in Europe. Definitely a very high risk maneuver and he knows it. Fun and impressive to watch.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 16:44
Author: smokenjoe50
Subject: Re: 2>1 ?
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:44 am (GMT -8)

Aldpal wrote: Joe, are both your Lara reserves on the same harness? Any issues or considerations for flying with or mounting two reserves? For those flying with two reserves, where do you have or prefer to place them? I don't anticipate wanting to use a ballistic system on a HG harness but would still like to know if anyone is still currently using one. We have older BRS models on our Super Floater/Air Chairs, that we need to get serviced or possibly replaced with a current BRS or Second Chance system. Any input on other ballistics systems that might be available for an air chair or Swift?

I only fly with one chute. I have 2 harnesses I fly regularly so thats why I have 2 chutes.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 16:24
Author: Aldpal
Subject: 2>1 ?
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:24 am (GMT -8)

Joe, are both your Lara reserves on the same harness? Any issues or considerations for flying with or mounting two reserves? For those flying with two reserves, where do you have or prefer to place them? I don't anticipate wanting to use a ballistic system on a HG harness but would still like to know if anyone is still currently using one. We have older BRS models on our Super Floater/Air Chairs, that we need to get serviced or possibly replaced with a current BRS or Second Chance system. Any input on other ballistics systems that might be available for an air chair or Swift?

Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 16:11
Author: Steve
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:11 am (GMT -8)

The Quantum 330 is a good chute and despite the small size, the 330 and the comparable 175 have a lower descent rate than all of the conicals, 20-gore PDAs and Metamorfosi that together have 100s of saves. That said, the 250 pack size is still very reasonable and the performance is a notch up.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 16:01
Author: Jason
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:01 am (GMT -8)

I'm just going to toss this out there

I have a quantum 330 for personal use, and a Lara 400 gold for tandems.

I remember distinctly looking at my quantum 330 after I tossed and it being quite disheartened when I saw a TINY little wad of fabric falling underneath me.....but it opened, and it dropped me into the trees with barely a scratch and it didn't so much as pop a stitch. I stil fly with it

But according to Steve there are better products on the market, and I trust his judgement....


but I'll never talk down about the 330, its a great parachute with a solid history as far as Im concerned.......
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 15:58
Author: smokenjoe50
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:58 am (GMT -8)

At 170lb. I personally use a lara gold 250. I have a couple of them. I like to fly the Sierras chances of hucking there are higher. If I'm going to come down on a 14,000 foot peak I want the big one.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 15:46
Author: smokenjoe50
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:46 am (GMT -8)

Steve wrote: if you read what I wrote above, The Quantum 330 is slightly smaller than the LARA 175 and quite a bit smaller than the LARA 250. The LARA 250 far outperforms the Quantum 330.

I missed your post good info. My last post was for mel.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 15:45
Author: Steve
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:45 am (GMT -8)

Joe, this is Steve Pearson. I have the FFE test data from the last 35 years and I personally measured the gore sizes of 2 different Quantum 330 chutes. In both cases, the Quantum 330 were smaller than a LARA 175. The most accurate testing was just a few months ago, side-side with even better data acquisition packages that the military testing of the LARA. The information on the HE website is not correct, there is no supporting evidence and quite frankly, it's impossible for a smaller Quantum 330 to match the larger LARA 250.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 15:35
Author: smokenjoe50
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:35 am (GMT -8)

LARA test results

Our crew at Free Flight has personally tested our parachutes both in free fall and under a hang glider. We drop tested all L.A.R.A. models using payloads of 25% above nominal weight at 90 knots with no damage. These tests verify the exceptional descent rate performance.The L.A.R.A. 250 was drop tested by the United States military. We gathered data at a rate of five samples per second utilizing a SOMAT data logger with on-board altimeter instrumentation. The average descent rate (corrected to sea level) with a 200-pound payload was only 17.5 feet per second! The US military uses 24 feet per second as a maximum allowable descent rate for emergency reserve parachutes. This low descent rate is comparable to our 24 gore P.D.A. for tandem use.

High energy test results and specs

http://www.highenergysports.com/products/hang_gliding_-_emergency_parachutes

LARA specs

http://www.freeflightent.com/lara-pda-spec-sheet.php

Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 15:33
Author: Steve
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:33 am (GMT -8)

if you read what I wrote above, The Quantum 330 is slightly smaller than the LARA 175 and quite a bit smaller than the LARA 250. The LARA 250 far outperforms the Quantum 330.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Wireless/Bluetooth PTT

22 July, 2015 - 15:31
Author: peterc
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:31 am (GMT -8)

There's a Bluetooth Vario that works really well by all accounts. It's called Blueflyvario. Flytecs Sensbox also uses Bluetooth.

I would think interference is possible, but unlikely with most modern varios.

I ordered one of the Bluetooth modules from Hobbyking, so I'll let you know how it goes.

Pete.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Reserve comment/questions

22 July, 2015 - 15:27
Author: smokenjoe50
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:27 am (GMT -8)

HG_Aviator wrote: smokenjoe50 wrote: Spark wrote: The Lara and Quantum are good solid designs and I've heard from several experienced folks that the 250 and 330 are similar in performance. Lara was designed by Gary Douris, whose reserves have saved me twice. I would use a Lara 250 here in CO, except I am landing above 8k, so the Quantum 440 is a better choice for me.

I was referring to why Mel thinks he would be safer in a Q330.

Joe, I was just thinking of the descent rate. I'm alergic to impact and feel a Q330 would soften the return to earth.

If you do your homework you will find that the Q330 is only 2 sf. larger than the lara 250 and the decent rate is the same. The lara was tested by the military so I would bet the results are more accurate.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Nice Vintage Footage

22 July, 2015 - 02:37
Author: Hoosier_Eagle
Subject: More vintage films released today
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:37 pm (GMT -8)

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hang+gliding+movietone

It appears there has been a bulk release of several nice hang gliding films by British Movietone today, including the one I posted earlier. Some of these had snippets of them used in other movies, like Playground in the Sky, but some of these are the original narrated footage.

It was a film very much like these, about gliders at Torrey Pines, that planted the seed for hang gliding in this wild little blue eyed, red haired, eight year old girl, who was completely transfixed, sitting on the carpet in front of a big ole wooden console TV back in Webster NY in 1973. It would be nearly 40 years before I could realize that dream, but here I am. These are treasures to be sure.
Hope you enjoy them too!
Theresa

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: How old a glider should get? Buy a laminar easy 14 from2002?

22 July, 2015 - 01:35
Author: brian scharp
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:35 pm (GMT -8)

Pro Dawn designed by Richard Boone.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Nice Vintage Footage

22 July, 2015 - 01:23
Author: kukailimoku
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:23 pm (GMT -8)

Or the dive recovery was referred to as "impact".
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: How old a glider should get? Buy a laminar easy 14 from2002?

22 July, 2015 - 00:31
Author: dayhead
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:31 pm (GMT -8)

TJW is disqualified as a matter of principle.

The kingpostless Standards don't count.

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: How old a glider should get? Buy a laminar easy 14 from2002?

22 July, 2015 - 00:29
Author: dayhead
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:29 pm (GMT -8)

Hey guys, the Po' Boyz Hang Gliding Gang just got a new donation!

The ONLY clue I'm offering is that it has historical significance, it was introduced in 1984, it is TOPLESS with side struts instead of wires, and is oh so cool.

Go ahead and take a guess what the Po' Boyz got. Friends that I've already bragged to are disqualified.