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Hang gliding general :: RE: What is a reasonable amount of time to clear the LZ?

12 December, 2014 - 01:15
Author: Wonder Boy
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:15 pm (GMT -8)

GET the f*** out of the LZ, whether you think someone is landing or not.
Otherwise, others may think you have an issue, new pilots may think thats ok to do.
Then they may end up later blocking you when you are landing,,,,,,, or what ever.

Just get the hell out of the LZ asap regardless,..... there is NO reason not to.
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Extra speed on final — friend or foe?

12 December, 2014 - 01:08
Author: Dave Gills
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:08 pm (GMT -8)

Has anyone ever been slammed into the ground when doing twice their stall speed at less than 1/2 their wingspan high?

(Airspeed not ground speed)

I'm curious because all the crash videos I've seen are of people flying too slowly near the ground.
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Near disaster with EXTREME wind gradient or Rotor

12 December, 2014 - 00:56
Author: flybop
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:56 pm (GMT -8)

This has been a very informative thread, thanks.

I have a question, ok two: Is this an over simplification (wrong)? If the wind noise stops, pull in!!!???
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Hang gliding general :: RE: DIve&Recover or Smooth launch

12 December, 2014 - 00:38
Author: thermalfinder
Subject: Apparently
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:38 pm (GMT -8)

Hmmm. Why not just keep the pitch close to correct while controlling the wing until liftoff? On sheer-cliff no-winder way more pitch to keep the keel from whacking the edge

Hang gliding general :: RE: What is a reasonable amount of time to clear the LZ?

12 December, 2014 - 00:37
Author: flybop
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:37 pm (GMT -8)

I was taught very early on that immediately upon landing to move your glider, regardless of any known or unknown traffic. This is a signal to other pilots, in the air or on launch, that you are ok.

There have been a few times that airborn pilots landed when someone had landed and failed to move their glider. One pilot who landed decided it was more important to call his girlfriend than to move his wing letting everyone know that he was ok???

Clear the LZ as soon as you can being careful to look for other landing pilots.
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What a beautiful day! Let's go jump off a mountain!!!

"He did not know he could not fly and so he did" Guy Clark,

"The Cape" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6bZ37nexSY

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Extra speed on final — friend or foe?

12 December, 2014 - 00:34
Author: NMERider
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:34 pm (GMT -8)

AndRand wrote: …. NMERider wrote: …If you keep your AoA under control and never experience airflow separation--what happens if your airspeed drops below your normal stall speed? Very simply, you will maintain full lateral and pitch control but your glider will be dropping faster than normal.
Tell me - how come you can have better control over stalled glider?

First off I never said anything about having better control over a stalled glider. In case you are unclear on the concept stalling is a function of AoA and NOT a function of airspeed. Stalling can occur at ANY airspeed, high or low.

If you would like a much better explanation of these principles I strongly urge you or anyone else concerned to read the book, Stick and Rudder: An Explanation of the Art of Flying by Wolfgang Langewiesche. There is no better explanation of the principles of flying that I have ever read anywhere.

Good luck!

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Video: Best Hang Gliding Instructional Video Of 2013

12 December, 2014 - 00:28
Author: mbadley
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:28 pm (GMT -8)

Well, that setup routine is just crap.
I mean, how many sites have a nice flat piece of carpet that you can crawl around on while fooling with the tips? And I don't know about you, but every-time I use my keel pogo-stick to lift the back of my glider up, some way or another it slides off and crashes down on the tips. (Since I got my QuickStand, no more problems with THAT!)

Then, WW says NOT to pull down on the nose wires to get your nose cone on because it can mess with the keel (as there is no king post) - ain't that the same for the LightSpeed? One key thing for the T2 is to get those nose battens on their post BEFORE you tension - hard as hell to do it afterwards. (Never covered in the setup routine). She puts all the battens in LAST. I can't zip my sprog pockets until the battens are in and the sail is tensioned. So, that's different, too.

Wow - she slides the tip cams on easy. I can slide mine on fairly easy most of the time, but not THAT easy. I have a buddy that has to use a tool on his NEW T2 to pull that cam on to the tip end.

At least she messes up sliding a batten or two into the wrong pocket. I do that ALL the time, so she had that part 'dead-on'.

Wills should take a memo from the video though and get some tan California beach bunny in a sport bra to do a nice setup video for all of their line.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: DIve&Recover or Smooth launch

12 December, 2014 - 00:10
Author: Paul H
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:10 pm (GMT -8)

They're both parts of the same thing.

Hang gliding general :: RE: DIve&Recover or Smooth launch

12 December, 2014 - 00:07
Author: NMERider
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:07 pm (GMT -8)

Yes!

The camp fire :: RE: Schanze in court!

11 December, 2014 - 23:59
Author: Spitfire
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:59 pm (GMT -8)

More detailed article....

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865617472/Super-Dell-taken-into-custody-after-disrupting-federal-court-hearing.html
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Video: Best Hang Gliding Instructional Video Of 2013

11 December, 2014 - 23:40
Author: Wonder Boy
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:40 pm (GMT -8)

Where is the glider?

Zena......
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Everyone who lives dies, yet not everyone who dies, has lived.
We take these risks not to escape life, but to prevent life escaping us.


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The camp fire :: RE: Schanze in court!

11 December, 2014 - 23:39
Author: Nicos
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:39 pm (GMT -8)

Sometimes karma takes a while to come around, I'd guess this is just the beginning.

I find it comical that he pled non guilty. Delusional alright!

Hang gliding general :: DIve&Recover or Smooth launch

11 December, 2014 - 23:24
Author: AndRand
Subject: DIve&Recover or Smooth launch
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:24 pm (GMT -8)

What kind of launch do you recommend - smooth or dive&recover?
There are 2 schools:
1. to go as smooth as possible, to turn quick on lift, especially when narrow.
2. to dive, getting quickly airspeed thru turbulence, as quick as possible away from hill, and recover height by retaining energy.

Pros/Cons?
In what situation?
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Hang gliding general :: RE: How To Remove Sail Numbers?

11 December, 2014 - 23:20
Author: kukailimoku
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:20 pm (GMT -8)

Acetone is the trick. It's used by them what sew 'em.
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And suppose you were a member of congress.
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Louder than words Video

11 December, 2014 - 23:20
Author: mbadley
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:20 pm (GMT -8)

Loved it!

That's 'left-over' footage?? Granted, not full of the normal Red-Bull antics (loops and spins) but the tow up to those gorgeous peaks, the smooth and effortless wangs, the little smoke trails and the most excellent landing approach - it all just speaks to the beauty of HG flying.

You hit it dead on with the P.F. music track..... those guys really know how to get you in the right mood.
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: struggles of a light weight pilot

11 December, 2014 - 03:52
Author: Karl_A
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:52 pm (GMT -8)

I know the weather this time of year is not as flyable as we like so it might be a while but please let us know when you fly the Falcon and how you like it.

I've flown near your part of the country (Sequatchie Valley in eastern Tennessee and Lookout Mountain in northern Georgia) on days that were so mild and smooth that without a vario I could not tell whether I was in a thermal or not, days when being light on a glider was quite a good thing. If I was climbing 150 feet a minute I was doing great, be patient, keep turning and eventually I was 3000 feet over launch. With that much altitude and almost no sink or headwind a Falcon will glide a long way.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Gorgeous December Skies!

11 December, 2014 - 03:49
Author: NMERider
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:49 pm (GMT -8)

Nicos wrote: One of those days eh I was lucky. Not everyone got up to base. A few sledded. There's another story I did not have time to tell about this day. It was a fairly warm day after record rainfall following record drought. We were setting up our glider when I looked down and spotted winged subterranean termites crawling around on everything. When I got up to launch I noticed swarms of winged subs coming up the launch ramp. Then the swarms stopped. I was on the ramp for nearly seven minutes. There was another topless glider on the adjacent ramp and we were calling back and forth at each other to be the wind dummy.

No one was confident that it was even soarable. Then I recalled that termites use thermals to migrate further to start new colonies and destroy our homes and fences. A new cluster of termites came wafting up the ramp soon followed by a swift. That suggested to me that it was now soarable or at least there was lift. Jim, who was standing next to me suggested I prepare to swallow termites if I wanted to breath. I resigned myself to extra protein for the day and hucked off.

For the first three minutes I was wallowing below launch level and then it turned on and up I went to base in short order. I had hoped others would have heard be talking about using the termites as lift indicators but I really don't know.

Anyhow, the air in the LZ was pretty wonky and I was feeling pretty sick but brought out the topless because I felt I would need glide over the easier handling of the Sport 2. I was pretty shaky after 45 minutes and glided in to land only to find two more gliders at the same level and a fourth glider being slowly carried from the landing circle. I stuffed the bar in zero VG to get down then decided to swoop over the now-unmoving glider blocking the landing circle and yelled down some encouragement to move.

I didn't realize how low I was plus the wonky air stopped the wind. I could have easily landed opposite the normal direction but like a schmuck I opted to finish the approach I started. As I was completing the first 270 and saw the berm coming my way I thought I'd better level the wings. Next I realized I was aiming at the parked gliders and kept the circle going. Now I'm running out of airspeed and my AoA is approaching maximum controllable AoA. But I'm concerned that I may clip the glider being carried and hold the turn just a hair longer.

That was that and I just settled into the hay on the overshoot ramp and slid about 20 feet. No harm dome other than extra wear to the zippers on my cocoon harness and the frustration of mud on my newly cleaned Levis.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Video: Best Hang Gliding Instructional Video Of 2013

11 December, 2014 - 03:45
Author: andylongvq
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:45 pm (GMT -8)

waveview wrote: Красота не требует перевода.

Построено к последнему

- Andy

Hang gliding general :: How To Remove Sail Numbers?

11 December, 2014 - 03:45
Author: miraclepieco
Subject: How To Remove Sail Numbers?
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:45 pm (GMT -8)

My glider has some old adhesive competition numbers on the undersurface. Anyone know the best method for removing those, with the least residue and sail degradation?

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Video: Best Hang Gliding Instructional Video Of 2013

11 December, 2014 - 03:40
Author: andylongvq
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:40 pm (GMT -8)

dayhead wrote: No matter how loud I crank the volume, I still can't tell what she's saying.
Wow, and I thought I was the only one. Thanks... I feel better now.

Here's my favorite comment:

"I watched this video 17 times before I realized it had something to do with hang gliders!"

- Andy