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Foot Launched Powered Hang Gliding :: RE: High altitude launch with power harness

13 April, 2014 - 09:38
Author: lafe.williams
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:38 am (GMT -8)

i'm only new to the flphg thing too. . if i had access to a vittorazi 100 (18hp) i think that would be nice otherwise my radne harness which has some issues i wont bore you with,(see boring stuff below***) stays on the roof racks. at 4000+ I am ground crew. can make coffee, drive car, deliver beer...but flying is not something i expect to happen from my handicapped machine.

(****boring details) in previous life a retaining nut got sucked into it and scored cylinder badly. i have replace rings but it is not a happy running machine, it overheats after 3-4 minutes of wideopen throttle...at lower atl. 3 min is sufficient to get up and away high enough to reduce throttle...at higher. alt..3 minutes might see me not very high and about to seize....I vote high rpm high power vittorazi..(wasp) but you will pay for it.
the radne is cheap and mostly reliable. vittorazi...not as cheap...reliable i dont know.. have no experience with it.

Hang gliding general :: UK Gliding in spring

13 April, 2014 - 07:49
Author: paddyz1
Subject: UK Gliding in spring
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:49 pm (GMT -8)

Being new to the sport I have tried to get my EP course started each weekend (it's fully paid up). When I phone up in the mornings it is always too windy at the site. Is this common at this time of year. It is starting to get frustrating now. This is my third attempt to do hang gliding over the years and I have got nowhere with it (at great cost to myself). I think this will be the last time I attempt the sport if each weekend ends up being cancelled.

Sorry but feeling pissed off at the moment as this morning was a cancellation again.

Foot Launched Powered Hang Gliding :: RE: High altitude launch with power harness

13 April, 2014 - 06:00
Author: AlaskanNewb
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:00 pm (GMT -8)

get a wasp harness with the more powerful vittorazi motor.
This will give you what you need to get lifted at higher density altitudes.

http://waspsystems.co.uk/

Hang gliding general :: RE: HG Mag - then and now

13 April, 2014 - 05:49
Author: miraclepieco
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:49 pm (GMT -8)

remmoore wrote: I'm gonna save Old Newbie another berating post: "Roger, you crusty old curmudgeon. Get over all the ways the mag has turned south and move on. Take up PG already whydontcha?"
RM

LOL, Robert You've been watching! Hey, I'm just guilty of being old enough to remember the glory days. Sure, it was a black and white magazine, but it was 100% hang gliding.

Nice to meet you last week.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Lookout Mountain Flight Park instruction part deux

13 April, 2014 - 05:04
Author: 1htalp9
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:04 pm (GMT -8)

Jack,
Here's a piece of advice I got from a great pilot. It has stuck with me, and ever since I began applying it, it has not failed me.

When flaring, think of signaling a touchdown, hands straight up in the air. If your hands are positioned correctly on the downtubes and you have proper speed and timing, you'll nail it every time. Remember, hands up like a "touchdown". Try it, you'll like it.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Going Up.....from The Dumps

13 April, 2014 - 04:29
Author: dievhart
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:29 pm (GMT -8)

This is the wing I know best as I have had it longer than my other four...
I got there with the Falcon and the Predator on the truck but after seeing the conditions I ran up to funston and grabbed the Super Sport...First flight at the new location...this is also the least expensive glider if I were to hurt it....if I had more time on the Predator I would have flown it....and been able to move around more in the air...
I'll edit it down to under 6 min...

Diev
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Care to Share Single Suspension Landing Videos

13 April, 2014 - 03:37
Author: Wonder Boy
Subject: Re: Care to Share Single Suspension Landing Videos
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:37 pm (GMT -8)

CAL wrote: i am going to be getting a SS harness soon, if anyone has videos of them landing with them it would be much appreciated if you could share them with me! i understand the concept but would like to visualize it

Thanks!

Moyes matrix race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDDJQQJ0-7Y&hd=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFkdSZkHHx0&hd=1
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Lookout Mountain Flight Park instruction part deux

13 April, 2014 - 02:50
Author: Paul H
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:50 pm (GMT -8)

Something else to keep in mind is where your feet are when you flare. A lot of pilots don't realize that they are letting their feet swing forward at that moment which makes it more difficult to get the nose of the glider to go up. Getting into the habit of "kicking" the keel while flaring will put your feet right under you when they touch down.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: ridge running masters.please help.

13 April, 2014 - 02:32
Author: mark selner
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:32 pm (GMT -8)

old newbie wrote: Mark that is as clear as mud. lol
Sounds like the thing you did wrong was sink out?
Stuck here in flat TX I would take a sledder it's all good.

Steve Forslund now that i seen the video it looks like i was pushed down.maby the finger of god.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Lookout Mountain Flight Park instruction part deux

13 April, 2014 - 02:11
Author: Kayakjack
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:11 pm (GMT -8)

Thanks George,

Yeah, I think I pushed out - straight forward with my arms. Not really up. Since I am "trapped" in the harness, I am having a hard time visualizing having the ability to push "up" instead of "out". I know you can do it - I have seen lots of successful foot landings.

I think some time in a simulator will really help me.

Another related thought --- my wife is a Master Birder. I go with her on some birding expeditions. I have started to watch more closely how birds fly and land. I saw a small bird land yesterday on the landing zone and do something that I know not to do. The bird flared for landing. Didn't slow down enough to land. Pulled in the flare. Flared again. Landed perfectly. If I did that I would whack. Once you flare - stick with it. Hey, birds don't have wheels. They have to foot land every time.

Thanks George,

Jack

The camp fire :: RE: Vintage Corduroy

13 April, 2014 - 01:23
Author: BubbleBoy
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:23 pm (GMT -8)

SWEET!!!!!!!

JB

The camp fire :: RE: Vintage Corduroy

13 April, 2014 - 00:53
Author: miraclepieco
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:53 pm (GMT -8)


Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Best Thermal Ever - video

13 April, 2014 - 00:33
Author: fly,surf,&ski
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:33 pm (GMT -8)

Felix wrote:
The flight sure was amazing, all of it. I chose to share a little part of it here, let the thread be about that.
Enjoy the video it was quite the thrill.

Fair enough. Next time you are at Highland please tell Sunny and Adam Bob's brother Pat said what's up. They will know
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Lookout Mountain Flight Park instruction part deux

13 April, 2014 - 00:29
Author: Georgelongshore
Subject: LMFP part2
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:29 pm (GMT -8)

Jack, welcome to hang gliding!
I have never posted before but thought this a good time to chime in.
H-4, flexies only,tug pilot, Tandem Instructor, 53 yrs old. made more than my share of bad landings, and good ones too.
Do not forget the feelings and wonder from these early lessons in flight. I have been doing this for over 3 decades on and off, and I had forgotten how the simplicity and purity of free flight on a hang glider elevates ones soul and spirit as well as their physical being. With my better half having just taken up hang gliding this past year, I have been re-introduced to what this sport is REALLY all about. It only took one look at her face after her first solo flight to see I have been missing the most crucial aspect of the flying, the fun and exceedingly euphoric state that actually FLYING a hang glider puts us in.
If you don't mind just a small bit of critique, I will tell you the same thing that I told my wife the first time she "pushed out" to flare. Don't push out. I will explain at the end. First a bit of long winded discussion about flares.
Every flare is a dynamic motion that you put the wing into to basically turn it into a big brake. Every glider has it's own 'flare window' and its own 'flare timing' for any given set of conditions. since conditions will be different for each flight-reason would dictate that every flare therefore will be different. At this stage of the curve, you will be flying single surface training gliders with plenty of sail luff and billow. There is a reason for this. The extra billow allows for a wider window of opportunity to input the flare, and a much broader surface to provide you with feedback from the wing about whether you are a bit early, a bit late, not aggressively flaring enough, being too aggressive with your flare, or not flaring in the right DIRECTION.{this last one is important to this discussion} These feedback signals will no doubt be invisible to you right now, but they are there and you will start to notice them and react to them accordingly with each successive flight that you make.
Now to the "don't push out" statement. There are 2 reasons not to do this.
First we will look at some basic geometry of what is happening when a glider gets a control input so that you will see what happens when you push out.
You are suspended from the glider by your hang straps in a position that if placed correctly{and I am Positive that LMFP trims their gliders correctly!} will have the glider flying at trim speed hands off just about minimum sink. Which in the case of most gliders is just slightly faster than stall on a single surface wing. When you apply control inputs to the glider it reacts to them like an obedient dog told to sit.
So when you push out, you tell the glider to "slow down" because you have moved the control frame forward and your body back, effectively moving your CG aft. With your glider already flying at trim, remember-just above stall speed, you have just told your glider that you want it to stall. And being the obedient dog it did exactly what you asked it to do. Landing on your wheels was your best and only option at this point.
Second thing that happens when you push out in a rocked up position is that you lean forward to do it most of the time. There are 2 things that happen when you lean forward. The first, and probably most detrimental thing that happens is when you are leaning forward pushing out you are actually PULLING DOWN on your down tubes. While you may not realize it, this is the opposite input you are trying to make.The second thing that happens is bad posture{not joking} It forces you to push out further-pulling down harder- and your entire posture goes catywompus to what you actually intended. your butt will now be pointed aft, your feet will be behind you -not under you, and your heavier upper body is now almost prone. An impossibly difficult posture to recover gracefully from especially having 50 or more pounds of suddenly no longer flying glider out at the ends of your fully extended arms coming down with you.
Told you it was a bit long winded,sorry.
Now to the cure for the dog that sits when told to. Push UP!...as in towards the direction you want the wing to ROTATE towards.
Your hang point is a fulcrum around which you can rotate the wing to have it present it's broad surface to the apparent wind{the wind in your face the wing is flying through} causing an abrupt and rapid stoppage of forward motion. 'The Flare' Done properly you will have pushed the downtubes UP and forward, not out. This will keep your posture in a more or less upright and ballanced position in relation to mother earth and your feet will be directly beneath you, much easier to land on them that way. There are many ways to do it, I personally try to arch like a springboard diver doing a layed out backflip when i flare, but thats just me-might not work for everybody.
This 'push up' technique instead of push out has many advantages. If you are a little early you can pause and hold to "float" it in{ sometimes called parachute flare, this does not work very well for double surface wings} if you are a little late your aggressive rotation of the wing and a few quick steps will help save the nose plate from becoming an entrenching tool. If your timing is just right it will make all the rest of the world stresses melt away for that briefest of seconds because you have made all of the planets align to witness perfection.
I'm not the best of landers, even after so many years. But I am pretty good at it and always cognizant and honest with myself when I do blow one. Over the years it has been hard not to see that pushing out caused me more bent aluminum that any other single cause.
I hope you can glean some fruits from all the chafe I just threw at you. I know you would have figured this out on your own in good time but hopefully sparing you some downtubes along the way will be the outcome of my post.
Again, welcome to the world of freeflight and hope to see you in the air sometime.
George

Hang gliding general :: RE: Lookout Mountain Flight Park instruction part deux

13 April, 2014 - 00:25
Author: red
Subject: Re: Lookout Mountain Flight Park instruction part deux
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:25 pm (GMT -8)

Kayakjack wrote: I just got home from two days of continued instruction at Lookout Mountain Flight Park.
I continue to be amazed at the wonderful instructors. I spent most of my time with Kit, a great, patient instructor. These people are really great.
So I have something to look forward to when I return. Can't wait to get back.
Jack
Jack,

Great post! Nice progress, and viewed with a level head, there.
Lots to learn, lots to live, and good people around, for you. Sounds about right.
Have fun . . . it just keeps getting better.


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Hang gliding general :: RE: Setting up in high winds

12 April, 2014 - 15:51
Author: CAL
Subject: Re: 2 tips elders taught me
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:51 am (GMT -8)

Helix3 wrote: Hi Dave,

Tie your nose plate down to one of these dog leash tie-downs - amazon.com/Canopy-Screw-Ground-Chrome-Stake/dp/B008B92LAY
(Not allowed to post links yet :p)

Credit to Diev for the idea.

To save your sail some stretching, read somewhere you can tension the rear wires, then collapse the control frame under the wing so it lays the tensioned wing flat on the ground --> then insert battens.

Hope this is helpful.

most of our sites, with this method you would soil your glider, but better a little dirty than broken
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Setting up in high winds

12 April, 2014 - 15:47
Author: CAL
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:47 am (GMT -8)

every site is different, at the POM SS we tether the glider to the nose, fold out the glider with the keel on ground, tension the sail, then tether the glider so that it is slightly nose high so it catches the wind without slamming the nose into the ground, in that position it is ok to put all your battens in because the wind arches the sail so they don't hit the crossbar, when the wind is blowing you don't have much time to keep the keel on the ground because the glider want to go all over the place, so you quickly tension the sail then tether the nose so the keel is more parallel with the ground at a position it will stay put not to nose high or to nose low, then install all the battens,

I tried to do that at another site when the wind was stiff and a wing would always lift, so I had to do it by turning the back of the glider about 45 degrees or a little more into the wind, set up the glider, then turn it when ready to fly

gliders are not fun to set up in high winds, it is difficult, you will get lots of sail flapping until the glider is completely set up, you will always risk damage to your glider because it is very difficult and nerve wracking even when you have done it several times,

my rule is try to avoid high winds, all they do is make things difficult, they break up thermals, and break up gliders when trying to set them up, or even worse when you hook into them and ground handle them to launch,

but as all of us including myself I do it anyway, Why? because my will to fly out weighs the risk !
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Setting up in high winds

12 April, 2014 - 15:35
Author: Helix3
Subject: 2 tips elders taught me
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:35 am (GMT -8)

Hi Dave,

Tie your nose plate down to one of these dog leash tie-downs - amazon.com/Canopy-Screw-Ground-Chrome-Stake/dp/B008B92LAY
(Not allowed to post links yet :p)

Credit to Diev for the idea.

To save your sail some stretching, read somewhere you can tension the rear wires, then collapse the control frame under the wing so it lays the tensioned wing flat on the ground --> then insert battens.

Hope this is helpful.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Setting up in high winds

12 April, 2014 - 15:32
Author: Paul H
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:32 am (GMT -8)

Is there room to use your vehicle for a wind block or as an anchor point for tying the glider down to?
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Hang gliding general :: Setting up in high winds

12 April, 2014 - 15:03
Author: DAVE858
Subject: Setting up in high winds
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:03 am (GMT -8)

Anyone have any videos, advise or tips with this? I have a spot near me that would be good just about every day in the summer but there is no shelter from the wind. I have attempted it once & lost control of the glider & damaged one of the wing tips.