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The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

9 hours 57 min ago
Author: Aldpal
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:50 am (GMT -8)

JR, I may be a hypocrite, but I could not get past the opening page with the "Americans against the Tea Party" symbol and the video's headline: "watch RM rip Fox News worship of Clive Bundy, right wing terrorists". That sounds like some open minded commentary, I have seen some clips, that indeed show Bundy may be a fool, and have never stated any unequivocal support for him, just some concern for some of the issues his case brings up. I hate to use an analogy because they can often be twisted back at you on tertiary details that derail your point as the discussion goes off on a tangent. Despite being pro-death penalty and harsh on criminal sentencing I could see arguing in favour of certain procedural rights or due process for the worst serial killer, even though I don't support any thing he says and does.

I think we would all be better informed if we were skeptics of all media sources not just the ones that appear to favour an opposing view. I am a bit of a news junkie, and really started paying attention to the news and what was going on around my own teenage universe when I was 16 years old and lived in Islamabad Pakiistan. At that time there were only two Newspapers in their capital, one that was independently run, and one that was government sponsored. It was an eye opener to read each paper, and to see that independent rag often had large swathes of blank areas in the perfect outline of where columns should be. No typo or editing error, my father explained, it was just the government censors requiring the removal of the stories, and the independent paper leaving those columns blank as a F-you to the censors. The single TV station had few English language programs, but I got to listen to Voice of America, the BBC, and Radio Moscow, covering the same story and facts with three wildly divergent takes. I have been house bound the last few days with obviously way too much time free time allowing me to visit this campfire, but hope to get back to some airtime and actual flying threads. Cheers and see you in the air, Alan

The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

9 hours 57 min ago
Author: rdufokker
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:50 am (GMT -8)

Fox news is also run under the entertainment division and not the publishing division. One a little more serious than the other.

As far a Rachael Maddow show, she claimed Cliven does not recognize the existence of the US of A. I don't believe this is what he says and his actions prove it. He does not recognize the Nevada land as Federal land but sovereign Nevada land. As far as I have been able to research he has paid his federal taxes and filed tax returns. So this shows that he acknowledges there is a US of A government.

Cliven is not the most eloquent speaker, but does that take away from the essence of his fight.

The media continue to say he owes these taxes. They are not taxes but fees. A tax has the primary purpose of raising revenue, by contrast, a fee recoups the cost of providing a service from a beneficiary. The Bundy's claim that the BLM was not providing the service that they agreed to, and was actually using the money(fees) to harm the ranchers.

Still on the fence, waiting to see what comes of this situation.

Bruno

The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

11 hours 29 min ago
Author: JR
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:18 am (GMT -8)

Aldpal wrote: JR, I thought about clicking on the Rachel Maddow clip, but then I realized it would double her ratings numbers. By the way the term "Faux News" is redundant as every "news network" is biased one way or the other, and all can be considered Faux. I have a sister in law that rants and raves against a well known "right wing" media personality. Funny thing is that when I asked her, she admitted that she had never listened to him, ever. Strange, how she had such a strong opinion of him. Fox News network, like all networks will try to milk any story that will help its ratings. News networks are biased not just in how they report what they want, but even more so in what they don't choose to report on. I won't try to talk you into listening to their pundits, but I encourage you to watch their hard news segments once in a while to see stories that will often not make it onto other networks. If you want to broaden your mind and see some reasoned right wing thoughts and commentary check out Townhall.com and click on any of the 50 columnist linked there. My favorite is Thomas Sowell.

So did you follow your own advice and watch the Rachel Maddow segment? It contained video of Bundy and the militiamen providing their take on the federal government and the matter at hand. Hearing them speak in their own words takes any spin out of the equation.

I watch Fox News on occasion and they rarely fail to amuse, but it's hard to take them seriously given their obvious political agenda. They're the only "news" agency that I'm aware of that has successfully argued in court that they're not required to be truthful or honest in their reporting.

JR

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: My best Bald exp yet

11 hours 50 min ago
Author: deeprecon1
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:57 am (GMT -8)

Windows movie maker .. easy simple free. I also have sony vegas, however it has a large learning curve. Im a slow learner.



CP wrote: That was SWEEEET!

Always nice to get a lesson from a local.

I like the edit with the narration out side the picture.
What program are you using?

The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

11 hours 52 min ago
Author: Aldpal
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:55 am (GMT -8)

JR, I thought about clicking on the Rachel Maddow clip, but then I realized it would double her ratings numbers. By the way the term "Faux News" is redundant as every "news network" is biased one way or the other, and all can be considered Faux. I have a sister in law that rants and raves against a well known "right wing" media personality. Funny thing is that when I asked her, she admitted that she had never listened to him, ever. Strange, how she had such a strong opinion of him. Fox News network, like all networks will try to milk any story that will help its ratings. News networks are biased not just in how they report what they want, but even more so in what they don't choose to report on. I won't try to talk you into listening to their pundits, but I encourage you to watch their hard news segments once in a while to see stories that will often not make it onto other networks. If you want to broaden your mind and see some reasoned right wing thoughts and commentary check out Townhall.com and click on any of the 50 columnist linked there. My favorite is Thomas Sowell.

The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

12 hours 13 min ago
Author: HGXC
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:34 am (GMT -8)

some should watch it as MSNBC ratings are in the toilet. -

JR with the amount of charity cash the Koch bros have provided you should kiss their rings.

Man and you just said you wasn't going to bring your politics into this...what a joke.

Dennis
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The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

12 hours 31 min ago
Author: JR
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:16 am (GMT -8)

History repeats itself...or deja vu all over, again! Faux News, the Koch Brothers, Alex Jones, et al, foment sedition using Cliven Bundy and whacko nut-job domestic terrorists.

Of course, since it's the left-leaning Rachel Maddow and MSNBC, it must be lies and half-truths. The video includes Bundy and some of the militia in their own words, so watch it and decide for yourself.

http://aattp.org/watch-rachel-maddow-rip-fox-news-worship-of-cliven-bundy-right-wing-terrorists-video/

JR

Hang gliding general :: RE: Olive tree

12 hours 31 min ago
Author: dayhead
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:16 am (GMT -8)

What's that old saying, oh yeah, "Any port in a storm".

I guess about 30 some years ago I had to land in a schoolyard. What with having to clear powerlines and tall trees on final, and the field not big enough anyway, I dragged my feet for a long ways then still hit the chain-link fence at the end of the field.

Woulda made for a great video, but we didn't have video cameras that weighed less than about 15 lbs back then.

I was still making good speed when I hit the fence, it bent over a ways, then like a big spring it threw me backwards and I ended up inverted laying on my back on the upside down glider. I laughed 'til I cried, me as Wiley E. Coyote and the Acme Glider Arresting Device.

Hang gliding general :: RE: ridge running masters.please help.

12 hours 54 min ago
Author: flyn'ride
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:53 am (GMT -8)

My apologies I iterated that poorly. The real issue is the eyes. If you are not looking where you want to go you will push out too much.

In my experience that low the the ground if your eyes aren't fixed on your new direction the speed of the ground underneath you looks so much faster. Thus pushing out to slow down where you actually have very little airspeed but your perception is a lot of air speed. Once you accept that you have to do a bit of a dive at the ground low soaring is actually a lot less scary because you fly with speed all the time and you end up being able to control the wing much more efficiently with speed. The reason most of the hard core mountain pilots who smash into the beach is because they fly to slow . Fly fast so you have all of the energy possible to make the wing do what you need too.

Summation I misspoke it is our reaction to a perceived increase in speed that causes the decrease in air speed.

Hang gliding general :: RE: nostalgic hang gliding images

13 hours 49 min ago
Author: BBJCaptain
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:58 am (GMT -8)

This is the only pic I have with me right now being on the road for the last few months.

Here is day one on a Cirrus 3 in 1979 at the bottom of Jean. I think I flew about 30 times that first day in 105 degrees and from the sky you
can tell the airmass was a little active. It took me a week to get the grin off my face and the sand out of my boots
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The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

13 hours 50 min ago
Author: HGXC
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:57 am (GMT -8)

Eric Quote: I don't buy into your premise that any good could have come from him not fleeing.6


We agree to disagree, I am not a scientit but a damn good marketing PR guy. This case would have gone down in history and although I m not a fan of snowden as I understand his person, I am a huge fan of my privacy and this would have been a big game changer.

As the months and years go on watch how snowden begins to get less relevant then Lindsey Lohan.

Dennis
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Hang gliding general :: RE: nostalgic hang gliding images

13 hours 51 min ago
Author: Spark
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:56 am (GMT -8)

Cloudhopper wrote: My Seagull VII... circa 1977 launching from the north end of Funston. The 10M was in '79 or so.

Great shots !

I also had a Seagull VII, but no photos. My first 4 wings were Chandelle 18', Seahawk, Seagull VII and then the 10m

Here is a shot of the 10m just after launching at KT-22, Squaw Valley CA. Early 1979, I think.
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The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

13 hours 56 min ago
Author: HGXC
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:51 am (GMT -8)

thermaleo wrote: This article by Tim Egan in the NYT pretty much sums it up. -

Leo Jones

Deadbeat on the Range

"Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. ....


Yes this is the very left wing NY times which defended the low life cry baby's in the occupy protest. Wouldn't expect any different.

Dennis
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The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

13 hours 59 min ago
Author: HGXC
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:49 am (GMT -8)

jjcote wrote: HGXC wrote: He yelled fire and ran,

Yeah. When the house is on fire, call 911, then stand there with your arms folded defiantly and burn. Everybody appreciates a martyr.

jj I have always been very clear on where you stand when trouble arrives. JJ, women and children first.

Dennis
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The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

14 hours 25 min ago
Author: Erik Boehm
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:22 am (GMT -8)

Aldpal wrote: I will reserve judgement until the legal issues have run their course.

They have run their course, this guy has repeatedly lost in court.
He doesn't have a legal leg to stand on.

HGXC wrote: I notice that you ignored the issue I brought up about snowden ....the question is ....Would the public outcry and out rage over snowden return for trial help stopping my government from its unbridled policy of spying on Americans? Just looking at the support that Bundy got from nationwide press I would think so. snowden robbed himself of the opportunity to complete the job and make the biggest difference.
You believe he would have been given a public trial.
I do not.

Even if he stood trial, there is no reason to think we'd get to hear any details about it. Manning stood trial (granted Manning was not as careful with what he released), where was that media fanfare?

If he was to even go to trial in the US:

No cameras would be allowed in the court room, Snowden wouldn't be allowed to talk to anyone except his legal counsel.
His legal counsel would be under severe restriction about what he could say to the media, because of "national security" restrictions.
The courtroom would be a black box, and all we'd have is an attorney telling the media that Snowden was doing what he did to inform american's about abuse of power.
His little jaunt around Hong Kong and Russia received quite a bit of attention, and he's been able to deliver messages just as effectively as if he had an attorney intermediate.

And of course, I'll reiterate, this is the best case scenario - I still highly doubt he'd have stood trial in the US if he was captured.

I don't buy into your premise that any good could have come from him not fleeing.
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The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

18 hours 36 min ago
Author: old newbie
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:11 pm (GMT -8)

Political issue? More like rent issue. Regardless of his political bent the writer makes some good points .

Hang gliding general :: RE: nostalgic hang gliding images

19 hours 2 min ago
Author: Cloudhopper
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:45 pm (GMT -8)

My Seagull VII... circa 1977 launching from the north end of Funston. The 10M was in '79 or so.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: 5500 above the clouds with a snotty nose ;)

19 hours 22 min ago
Author: thermaleo
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:25 pm (GMT -8)

Thanks - great video. I flew at the Mynd a lot back in the 80s, lot's of nice XCs from there, and in winter wave too. Never got that high above cumies though.

Got to over 9K in super smooth wave at Wether Fell once, climbing up through a hole in stratus to get there.

Thanks for the memories.

Oh,a friend and I also once got a clapped out Cessna 150 to over 16,500ft, throttled back to idle, in wave over the Santa Cruz mountains one February, after barely climbing through thermal layer to 9000ft.... It would have gone higher too, but caution (after initial giggling hypoxic euphoria) and airspace, precluded it.....

Wave can be places you don't expect....

Leo Jones

The camp fire :: RE: Nevada Standoff

19 hours 44 min ago
Author: Aldpal
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:03 pm (GMT -8)

Tim Egan is not a reporter, but has been an opinion writer for 18 years for the "NYT" which is the New York Times. The NYT and it's editorial pages is hardly a reliable source for unbiased coverage. If you google a few of his prior editorials you will see his primary focus appears to be slamming anything on the right, with an emphasis on the "right wing media". Perhaps you could cut and paste the work of one of the NYT's more distinguished reporters, like Jayson Blair perhaps. Quoting the NYT and their editorial board on a political issue would be like me quoting Rush Limbaugh, as a neutral commentator.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: My best Bald exp yet

18 April, 2014 - 05:20
Author: CP
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:20 pm (GMT -8)

That was SWEEEET!

Always nice to get a lesson from a local.

I like the edit with the narration out side the picture.
What program are you using?