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Hang gliding general :: RE: My first time in a double-surface

1 April, 2015 - 02:37
Author: piano_man
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:37 pm (GMT -8)

Yikes, that was hairy; scary. Why did you wait so long to do that last 360? Glad you pulled it off, way to keep your cool. Like Jason said, you must learn to plan your approach better. As we fly more high-performance wings we have to come in lower. It takes a lot of nerve at first because we're just not used to it.

Thanks for the upload.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Wire crew - Eastern US vs. Western US

1 April, 2015 - 02:36
Author: W9GFO
Subject: Re: Wire crew - Eastern US vs. Western US
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:36 pm (GMT -8)

red wrote: Even though the nose is low, if you are getting pulled forward, the nose is not low enough. That's just an AoA problem, and not really "ramp suck." You can control it by lowering the nose even more.

I am skeptical that is is always possible to get the nose low enough at a cliff launch to avoid what I think of as "ramp suck".

Hang gliding general :: RE: WANTED: Magic Formula 154

1 April, 2015 - 01:49
Author: dayhead
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:49 pm (GMT -8)

I live 9 hiway miles East of Crestline launch. I'm about 45 minutes from the LZ, Andy Jackson International.

I can offer to help with gas. We'll be having a fly-in pretty soon, it'll be a fun weekend. My job is to make sure all the kids get a Sling Wing, and criticize everyone's approach.

I'm sure those old divers will warm someone's heart.

Steve 909 273 3372

Growing the Sport of HG :: RE: World Class A #1 Custormer Service from High Energy Sports.

1 April, 2015 - 01:40
Author: Spark
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:40 pm (GMT -8)

Do you store your rubber bands in the refrigerator?

Betty deserves the utmost respect
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Want to rent/fly at Golden CO today

1 April, 2015 - 01:06
Author: Skyvine
Subject: Re: Want to rent/fly at Golden CO today
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:06 pm (GMT -8)

therider wrote: Visiting H3 pilot from bay area staying at Longmont today. Am on a motorcycle trip via SLC area, flew POTM day before.

Totally want to check out the flying around Golden CO. Possible to fly this afternoon?

Thanks a lot!

Sorry, must have missed something. How do you drag your glider with a motorcycle? I would love to do the same!

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Launching critique

1 April, 2015 - 00:32
Author: Nicos
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:32 pm (GMT -8)

I wasn't the pilot, and while it looks a little windy it actually wasn't anything extreme (ie. no wire assist necessary). A gentle seabreeze was blending in at this time, so one could expect some associated turbulence on launch.

To me the launch looks OK, certainly not a bad one. Not being particularly experienced myself, I'm interested to hear the opinions of others here. This bit of ridge is only a few hundred feet high and the general conditions on launch seemed to be on the light side if anything, so he was flying close to the ridge to stay up. Looks like he hit some mad sink after launch. Turned out the windspeed was perfect, magic air up high.

Yes Red, I thought the same thing about the 2 stages. Maybe a walk/jog/run start would have worked better? I figure the sudden start could also lead to a nose-pop incident one day.

I noticed he goes to the basebar before getting away from the terrain too — a habit I have been trying to break this season. For mine it's a small sign of complacency.

I'm also very interested in how a PG might have behaved in the sink/turbulence he encountered directly after leaving the ground.. might have caused a collapse?

Speaking of which, a month ago I had an acute and very humbling back injury which included being bedridden for a week, and last night I tested it out. Sure is amazing to be able to fly like a bird again, wow.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Wire crew - Eastern US vs. Western US

31 March, 2015 - 23:51
Author: red
Subject: Re: Wire crew - Eastern US vs. Western US
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:51 pm (GMT -8)

W9GFO wrote: red wrote: When there is a straight-edged cliff in front of you (not a point of rock), flat ground under you to each side, and your glider is being pushed forward toward the edge from behind, that is definitely a tailwind (rotor) condition, and that is called "ramp suck." My understanding was that "ramp suck" was when you were standing at a cliff launch with your wing at a nose down attitude - the lift vector is then pulling you forward much more than a normal launch. W9GFO,

Even though the nose is low, if you are getting pulled forward, the nose is not low enough. That's just an AoA problem, and not really "ramp suck." You can control it by lowering the nose even more. A clifftop rotor (ramp suck) on launch is pushing you forward, and it is usually not controllable by the pilot. That can be very dangerous. A tailwire guy may or may not be able to control the rotor problem from one minute to the next, hence the danger.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: My first time in a double-surface

31 March, 2015 - 23:30
Author: mbadley
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:30 pm (GMT -8)

I came off a Harrier 1 (single surface) to a Magic IV - full race version.

To say there was a shock in transition would be to put it mildly.... I did eventually learn how to turn the Magic. My right arm was notably larger than my left after 2 or 3 seasons on it pulling that 1:1 vg cord!

Left that for the K2 (another airwave glider) and that was heaven on earth... Finally retired the K2 a couple of years ago. (after nearly 20 years of flying service)[/code]
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Launching critique

31 March, 2015 - 23:25
Author: red
Subject: Re: Launching critique
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:25 pm (GMT -8)

Nicos wrote: Any launching (and/or landing) critique here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVEnT0p4RXM Nicos,

Power launch, nice landing. You should notice there, it was a two-stage launch. Once the hang straps came tight, then you could really power-on, into the wind. You did the power-on very well. Until the straps come tight, control is more important than speed; you want the glider set right, before you can apply power. Once the straps come tight, you can simply fly the glider and run, rather than using arm strength to muscle the glider around. There was nothing wrong with that launch, absolutely. It's good to see a video of yourself, and seeing when it all goes right.

Choppy air, needed a definite control move right after launch, and that went well enough. When it's really cranking, with no lack of lift out there, sometimes it is better to wait for a lull (smooth spot) to come in, then launch. It's just the opposite of what you want to do when launching on a light-wind day.


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Growing the Sport of HG :: HES Betty is The BOMB!

31 March, 2015 - 23:20
Author: HG_Aviator
Subject: HES Betty is The BOMB!
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:20 pm (GMT -8)

Betty is the bomb!
I needed a drogue chute pocket sewn onto my HES Tracer harness. I called her around 10am last week and asked if they could sew the pocket on. She said yes and when would I need the harness back. I asked if she could do that day and if I could wait while it was sewn on. She said yes! When I got there (around, 11am)
her crew had just gone to lunch.... Darn! Then to my surprise, she asked to to come to the back where she took my harness and Drogue chute pocket and proceeded to sew it on her self...! NOW THATS SERVICE! Love ya Betty!


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Hang gliding general :: RE: WANTED: Magic Formula 154

31 March, 2015 - 23:16
Author: bongwater
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:16 pm (GMT -8)

I'm sure some bay area pilots will be heading that way at some point.
Send my some contact info and we'll figure something out I'm sure.
If I had the time I'd run them down and get some airtime in myself, but time's at a premium right now.

Hang gliding general :: RE: My first time in a double-surface

31 March, 2015 - 23:14
Author: W9GFO
Subject: Re: My first time in a double-surface
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:14 pm (GMT -8)

pec1985 wrote: Many of you fly different types of gliders, what was your first double surface experience?

My first double surface flight, a Spectrum 165, was also my first solo flight, off Crestline.

A misunderstanding resulted in a delayed turn to base and I subsequently ended up short, clipping some bushes. Did a nice little ground loop and took out both uprights. My mom was there videotaping it. Sadly, out of embarrassment I deleted the video.

Landings after that were considerably better - and the bushes have been gone for ages now.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Tahoe + Mattole + Table Bluff

31 March, 2015 - 23:12
Author: DBrose
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:12 pm (GMT -8)

I wouldn't fly the Mattole when it's that windy. We consider those conditions "blown out." We give the site respect because of how remote it is. Reminder no cell service and no hospital near by. Plus the hospital in Eureka is just a big first aid stand. I like the in between dog grave launch.
Believe me I KNOW Mattole conditions...it gets blown out a lot. its always windy there. always.
glad you pulled that backwards flight off. and I'm happy you pulled off your top landing flight ...top landing when you are forced to is no bueno amigo. reminder no cell service and no near by real hospital. respect .
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Wire crew - Eastern US vs. Western US

31 March, 2015 - 23:05
Author: W9GFO
Subject: Re: Wire crew - Eastern US vs. Western US
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:05 pm (GMT -8)

red wrote: When there is a straight-edged cliff in front of you (not a point of rock), flat ground under you to each side, and your glider is being pushed forward toward the edge from behind, that is definitely a tailwind (rotor) condition, and that is called "ramp suck."

My understanding was that "ramp suck" was when you were standing at a cliff launch with your wing at a nose down attitude - the lift vector is then pulling you forward much more than a normal launch.

A tailwind while approaching launch is just a rotor.

Growing the Sport of HG :: RE: World Class A #1 Custormer Service from High Energy Sports.

31 March, 2015 - 22:53
Author: JohnFritsche
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:53 pm (GMT -8)

My first two harnesses were High Energy, and her service and advice and answers for me were top-notch. I think a lot of pilots would be happier in her Tracers (or WW Z5's) than in their racing harnesses.

Hang gliding general :: RE: My first time in a double-surface

31 March, 2015 - 22:41
Author: JohnFritsche
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:41 pm (GMT -8)

The first DS gliders I put much time on were WW Spectrums and Airwave Mk IVs in the early 90's. Very easy transition, but noticed a little of what you noticed on the S2 (stiffer handling, more performance). But the S2 is an intermediate/H3 glider that's a lot hotter than those first DS's I flew. The first two gliders I actually bought were WW's H3 gliders of the mid-to-late 90's, a Supersport and an Ultrasport. I really liked my Ultrasport and felt comfortable on it right away. Always had mixed feelings on the Supersport. But from what I've heard, the S2 blows away its predecessors in every regard. I'm betting you'll get used to it fast.

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Launching critique

31 March, 2015 - 22:22
Author: JohnFritsche
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:22 pm (GMT -8)

We'd have to get awfully picky to find anything wrong there. It does seem you could you have spared yourself some running by starting out your launch run much further forward...you probably had sufficient airspeed to launch after your first couple steps...but way to keep the nose down and drive her forward!

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Launching critique

31 March, 2015 - 22:08
Author: mrcc
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:08 pm (GMT -8)

Nice power launch

As U2 has a tendency to pop its nose
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Santa Barbra 3/15 73 Miles

31 March, 2015 - 21:57
Author: Southside
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:57 pm (GMT -8)

Thanks again for the comments.

Scot, I'm having Jonathan make an external battery pack for me.

Besides, having the GoPro go dead at just over the 20 mile mark, I had a problem downloading my track. It's not the first time. I've had problems with GPS Dump, CompeGPS and SeeYou. I could see that my Garmin recorded my flights, but for whatever reason they wouldn't download. I wanted a track for this flight for no other reason than to see what my last thermal of the day looked like. Anyway, I decided to give Garmin's own Basecamp software a try. It worked fine.

My last thermal of the day:

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Launching critique

31 March, 2015 - 21:55
Author: Wonder Boy
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:55 pm (GMT -8)

Looked fine to me
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