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Hang gliding general :: RE: PG vs. HG photo count in the latest USHPA issue

1 August, 2015 - 02:38
Author: wonderwind_flyer
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:38 pm (GMT -8)

Spark wrote: So .... Submit some photos

A couple of years ago my wife sent in some fine photos of the flying in our area. There was no communication on whether they were of acceptable quality or not. I know other pilots who have submitted good quality photos in recent years that haven't made it to the pages of the magazine. Is there really a shortage of HG photos in the USHPA library?

Since many of the PG articles are about flying in other countries I have suggested to international pilot friends that they send in HG photos/articles to the USHPA.magazine.

Haven't given up hope yet.

Hang gliding general :: RE: PG vs. HG photo count in the latest USHPA issue

1 August, 2015 - 01:50
Author: CAL
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:50 pm (GMT -8)

they out number us so obviously they are going to send more pics in than we do.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: PG vs. HG photo count in the latest USHPA issue

1 August, 2015 - 00:42
Author: Roadrunner
Subject: Can you feel it?
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:42 pm (GMT -8)

It's great to know how just how much Para-Gliders appreciate us Hang-Glider Pilots. For we did "GIVE THEM" an organization.

It is just like how people in Southern California appreciate people in Northern California. For the people in Northern California send their water South to the people in southern California.

You can just feel the love.

Hang gliding general :: RE: PG vs. HG photo count in the latest USHPA issue

1 August, 2015 - 00:14
Author: HangDiver
Subject: Re: PG vs. HG photo count in the latest USHPA issue
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:14 pm (GMT -8)

wonderwind_flyer wrote: An observational letter to the editor to be sent soon. LOL

And where do you suppose photos of hang gliders that appear in the magazine actually come from?
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Hang gliding general :: RE: PG vs. HG photo count in the latest USHPA issue

1 August, 2015 - 00:02
Author: Willmrx
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:02 pm (GMT -8)

USHPA . Lol, it's all about the money.

Hang gliding general :: RE: PG vs. HG photo count in the latest USHPA issue

31 July, 2015 - 23:21
Author: Spark
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:21 pm (GMT -8)

So .... Submit some photos
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Hang gliding general :: PG vs. HG photo count in the latest USHPA issue

31 July, 2015 - 22:46
Author: wonderwind_flyer
Subject: PG vs. HG photo count in the latest USHPA issue
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:46 pm (GMT -8)

We sure are fortunate that the USHPA magazine had an HG on the cover of the recent issue ... because there sure weren't many HG photos on the inside.

I am not 'anti' PG but I am not 'pro' PG either. However, when I see this many PG photos in an issue of the magazine it is difficult to see it any other way than as a sales pitch for that method of flying.

A little more balance in the photo representation in the association's publication sure would be appreciated.

An observational letter to the editor to be sent soon.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Funny! Learning to HangGlide with Dad video.

31 July, 2015 - 19:02
Author: psilyguy
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:02 am (GMT -8)


Hang gliding Videos :: Funny! Learning to HangGlide with Dad video.

31 July, 2015 - 17:15
Author: crusercput
Subject: Funny! Learning to HangGlide with Dad video.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:15 am (GMT -8)

[youtube]https://youtu.be/AOhKWiFAWuw[/youtube]

https://youtu.be/AOhKWiFAWuw


This was my first two days of Hanggliding! PoliPoli Maui Hawaii. This is pretty epic to me now!
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Roman legions, Cahokian hang glider warriors, alt-history

31 July, 2015 - 16:23
Author: mgforbes
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:23 am (GMT -8)

Getting to the last third of the book; revelation of a hike-and-fly XC west to east across the Appalachians. Cool!
MGF

Hang gliding general :: RE: Roman legions, Cahokian hang glider warriors, alt-history

31 July, 2015 - 16:18
Author: dayhead
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:18 am (GMT -8)

Erik Boehm wrote: So those big mounds they built were really training hills for legions of glider pilots?

I recently went under hypnosis and discovered that in a previous incarnation I was a Cahokian glider bomber pilot.

I was also instrumental in the design and construction of the flying hills, or "mounds" as they are called today.

I assisted my cousins with the development of the original sporting use gliders, and I also helped create a training program for my people that wanted to fly.

Later, I helped develope the much larger and faster military gliders that we used to fight the Roman invaders.

While only one strong horse could tow a sport glider up to over 300 cubits high, we had to use 10 horse teams to get the bombers to the 3000 cubits altitude needed to reach the enemy lines and safely return for another mission.

Just as military need advances aeronautical progress today, it was our need to defend our way of life that advanced our glider designs.

We were able to increase our penetration speeds by millions of furlongs per fortnight, and eventually achieved sink rates as low as 14,000 cubits per day.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Summer flying in Sweden

31 July, 2015 - 14:30
Author: combat.is.hell
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:30 am (GMT -8)

Thanks Big Guy, I'll pass it on to Robin. He is a dedicated instructor and very competent flyer. He is still flying but not every day. Nobody flies EVERY DAY in Sweden, it is impossible. The weather is not like California. And there are no mountains. And it's probably raining at Robin's hometown just as I am writting these lines.
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HangGliding.Org Events :: RE: 2015 SCFR

31 July, 2015 - 13:49
Author: Windlord
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:49 am (GMT -8)

Looking forward to the event once again.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Help Save Steptoe Butte!

31 July, 2015 - 13:49
Author: ChattaroyMan
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:49 am (GMT -8)

old newbie wrote: Big difference from Woodrat where you have a large pilot population and a lot of use. This is a little bump in the middle of nowhere that has been flown with no problems for a long long time.

Justify it all you want, it is the wrong approach. We need to stop holding up hoops and jumping through them and assert our rights as citizen and park users.

The WA State Parks use Hang Gliding and Paragliding to market Steptoe
http://adventureawaits.com/2014/01/paragliding-steptoe-butte/

The Seattle Glider Council spoke of this being a soaring site in the 30's long before it was a park. Just like we were paragliding at Dalles Mt Ranch long before it became part of Horse Thief lake State. Parkhttp://www.seattleglidercouncil.org/towline_online/Towline_August_1972.pdf

The Pullman Chamber of Commerce talks of hang gliding in it's The Palouse Scenic Byway guide http://pullmanchamber.com/wpcontent/uploads/2015/04/PalScenicByway08-4.pdf

Steve Forslund

Steve, us Steve's should stick together We feel more alike on all of this than you may get from my posts. I've used many of your same links/info in my dealings with State Park folks (who also share much of your feelings - at least from my take on your posts). I have some thoughts and info I'd like to chat with you about. Please PM me at your desire. I'd also like to chat with you on the phone. I'll be out of techie touch in about 10 mins and hit and miss techie wise until Monday.
Steve Baran
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Bucket list sites or flights

31 July, 2015 - 13:36
Author: Jason
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:36 am (GMT -8)

Aspen when the leaves are turning
A villa grove glass off
Makapu'u
Yosemite
Big Sur



Ones I have yet to get to
Telluride
Lanzorate (i think thats the one I"ve seen in videos over the ocean)
Soaring Big Sur
There is a flight I really want to do at Yosemite........
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Help Save Steptoe Butte!

31 July, 2015 - 05:27
Author: old newbie
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:27 pm (GMT -8)

Big difference from Woodrat where you have a large pilot population and a lot of use. This is a little bump in the middle of nowhere that has been flown with no problems for a long long time.

Justify it all you want, it is the wrong approach. We need to stop holding up hoops and jumping through them and assert our rights as citizen and park users.

The WA State Parks use Hang Gliding and Paragliding to market Steptoe
http://adventureawaits.com/2014/01/paragliding-steptoe-butte/

The Seattle Glider Council spoke of this being a soaring site in the 30's long before it was a park. Just like we were paragliding at Dalles Mt Ranch long before it became part of Horse Thief lake State. Parkhttp://www.seattleglidercouncil.org/towline_online/Towline_August_1972.pdf

The Pullman Chamber of Commerce talks of hang gliding in it's The Palouse Scenic Byway guide http://pullmanchamber.com/wpcontent/uploads/2015/04/PalScenicByway08-4.pdf

Steve Forslund

Hang gliding general :: RE: Help Save Steptoe Butte!

31 July, 2015 - 04:24
Author: mgforbes
Subject: LZ agreeements and easements
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:24 pm (GMT -8)

This is not really any different than the situation at Woodrat, where BLM wanted evidence of a legal landing area in the valley before they'd put the effort into improvements on launch. I'm sure the state parks folks are doing the same thing, covering their potential exposures to claims of negligence. Since Steve already has a good relationship with the LZ owner, who welcomes their use, it should not be difficult to get a letter from that owner to the state parks people, agreeing that pilots may land on his property.

In the case of Woodrat, BLM wanted some form of long term agreement, and that was obtained through a deeded land use easement. The club may want to consider securing long-term access by talking with the landing area owner about either a gift or purchase of a deeded access easement. Such an instrument gives the grantee a legal right (as defined by the easement) to use the property but does not transfer ownership. It can be as broad or as narrow as needed, and can have specific conditions of use to limit access and protect the landowner's interests.

The Oklahoma club recently purchased an easement on their LZ at Heavener, securing access to that site in perpetuity. The Foundation For Free Flight matched some locally-raised money to buy that easement, as we did at Woodrat. If you need more information about how easements work, or what the Foundation can do to help you obtain one on your site, drop me a note off-forum and we can talk. Email is best; mark[at]mgforbes[dot]com

MGF

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: More Fun & Drag Chutes!

31 July, 2015 - 04:22
Author: NMERider
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:22 pm (GMT -8)

Cool Breeze wrote: ....Is that not similar to your Sensor flaps? maybe I am confused here, but i am thinking actual spoilers, like on a glass ship glider, mounted in the appropriate part of the upper air foil for the appropriate span wise length.... but back to the adjustable chute.

Would it not be feasible to have a conical chute with a center pull that could adjust it size? pull the center strings in on the inner most hole, to reduce size? again, i am just thinking out loud and have done no research about how this effects the stability of the surface being dragged through the air... just wondering your thoughts.

I still like the idea of a keel mounted drag system of some sort. Wrap your head around this one.... you ever see those colanders that fold themselves out from a tube to a disc with holes in them? this could be the ticket, as I imagine a fail safe would be for it self to wrap itself back up around the keel under air pressure.

The Sensor flap does not split the trailing edge. See the photo of the split flap on the Spitfire model. A normal flap bends the airfoil but does not split it into a wedge.

Gin Paragliders makes an adjustable drogue as you describe but its packed size is pretty big and even they don't recommend re-deploying it. Pulling down the apex is asking for trouble based on tests I've done in the past. There's another technique of running a ring up the shroud lines to close up the aperture. That may work but is the lines fowl during deployment it could get messy.

Yes, spoilers can be added to the upper surface but the rigging needed to activate the spoilers can create more headaches during assembly/disassembly than you'd want to deal with. But I don't have super-powers for foresight and have learned to hard way that working models need to be built and tested very carefully. One never knows what will turn up until actually doing these things.

I suggest you build some working models and test them yourself. It's fun and educational. Just don't place yourself in any danger in the process.
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: More Fun & Drag Chutes!

31 July, 2015 - 03:53
Author: red
Subject: More Fun & Drag Chutes!
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:53 pm (GMT -8)

NMERider wrote: Cool Breeze wrote: What is your maximum decent rate? Could that chute help you escape cloud suck? If you don't have any drag devices then Red's method of placing each hand against the front of the downtubes with thumbs facing down works great. I've used it with my arms locked in a zero VG dive to escape excessive lift. Campers,

For reference:

http://user.xmission.com/~red/fast.htm

Yer welcome.


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Hang gliding general :: RE: Mounting a water bottle to the HG frame

31 July, 2015 - 03:32
Author: red
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:32 pm (GMT -8)

BBJCaptain wrote: Jason wrote: that chute handle looks hard to reach! If it was any shorter it would be for sure. I practice reaching for it on every flight. As much as I hate to admit it, I have forgot to remove the safety pin and then have to remove it in flight after take off. BBJCaptain,

Happy to help . . .
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