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Hang gliding general :: RE: Let's do it now--paradigm shift re sideslips and pitch coord

22 December, 2014 - 03:53
Author: Christopher Carrillo
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:53 pm (GMT -8)

I think I understand Steve, and by that definition, what I've experienced as slip is very short and most of the "slip" is a rapid banked dive.. I suppose the technical semantics don't concern me too much. The term slip works for me as there are time in a trun when the sink rate increases on what feela like an exponential curve. i wouldn't call it overwelming... if you can control it, it's great. but if it bothers you when we are talking, I'll just call it a dive. I really don't care what pilots call things. the only thing I care about is if pilots have precise control over their wings. A person could describe the force on their wing as the balance between invisible magic butterflies and unicorns, and if they could control their wing with precise control, I'd be very happy.

But on the subject of slip... The only time I've experienced sustained slip that conforms to your definition is when turning a glider at a high bank in ground effect.(a strong downwind also adds to the affect) See below.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mz0_omW6E

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Landing a Sail-Plane Down-Wind

22 December, 2014 - 03:45
Author: jjcote
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:45 pm (GMT -8)

I believe you also rarely if ever land a sailplane uphill.
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Choosing Good Instruments For Beginner Hangglider

22 December, 2014 - 03:42
Author: jjcote
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:42 pm (GMT -8)

If you already have it, just keep it. Unlike a wing that's too advanced (which can be dangerous), having a vario that's too fancy has only one drawback, and that's the price. Just set it up so that it shows your altitude and beeps when you're going up (which should be really simple to do) and ignore the rest of the stuff that it does for the time being. Once you get to H3, then read the manual.
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: struggles of a light weight pilot

22 December, 2014 - 03:40
Author: peanuts
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:40 pm (GMT -8)

michael170 wrote: gluesniffer wrote: So lemme get this straight Michael 170, instead of the student using the correct equipment and learning the industry standard foot landing, you suggest she just land on wheels?

Why did you put a question mark at the end ot a statement, gluesniffer?


because it is not a statement.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Landing a Sail-Plane Down-Wind

22 December, 2014 - 03:18
Author: Roadrunner
Subject: When the prevailing wind is at your Back.
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:18 pm (GMT -8)

Hearing that one can deal with (MORE) of a Tail-Wind when landing a Sail-Plane compared to flying a Hang Glider is something that holds my interest as far as landing an Aircraft goes.

I know that landing a Hang-Glider Down-Wind is a very fun way to land a Glider. For that matter our own local Mountain site. The L-Z that is up on the Mountain this L-Z is known as the Juniper Ridge L-Z. This L-z is at least 15 years old, and to-date, the L-Z has never had a Glider whack in that L-Z.

And being that a Sail-Plane can deal with a strong Tail-Wind. I say: BRING ON A SAIL-PLANE TO FLY FOR ME.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Landing a Sail-Plane Down-Wind

22 December, 2014 - 02:56
Author: Jason
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:56 pm (GMT -8)

you can take more a tailwind in a sailplane then you can in a hangglider


by a lot
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: struggles of a light weight pilot

22 December, 2014 - 02:52
Author: michael170
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:52 pm (GMT -8)

gluesniffer wrote: So lemme get this straight Michael 170, instead of the student using the correct equipment and learning the industry standard foot landing, you suggest she just land on wheels?

Why did you put a question mark at the end ot a statement, gluesniffer?

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Choosing Good Instruments For Beginner Hangglider

22 December, 2014 - 02:41
Author: maximilionalpha
Subject: Re: Choosing Good Instruments For Beginner Hangglider
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:41 pm (GMT -8)

red wrote: maximilionalpha wrote: I haven't started training for my H1 yet, but I have begun to start browsing through the instruments, that I may need when I finally get to the point where I'm getting ready for my own wing. I would like to now, if the aircotec champion vario, is a good start and what would be a decent price to pay for it? maximilionalpha,

That Champion is a lot more "vario" than you need, but you won't outgrow it for a good while (if ever).
Make sure that you can read the face easily in direct sunlight. If you ever use polarized sunglasses to fly,
it may not be readable when holding your vario or your head at a wide range of angles.
For now though, you only need any old vario that beeps when going up. If you want an altimeter,
I can give you a decent Absolute Altimeter (does not work by barometric pressure) for free;
it weighs nothing, and you can't lose it. Click the link, and scroll down about a page, to the Free Altimeter:


Thanks for the responses guys! If the champion is too much vario, for me, then I might as well sell it to a more experienced, seasoned user. I'll post it in the classifieds, once I've made more forum posts. Thanks again!

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Sail_Plane Thoughts requested

22 December, 2014 - 02:30
Author: Aldpal
Subject: Alternatives
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:30 pm (GMT -8)

Dan, you listed just a few good alternatives to getting airtime. Considering you had a Swift, I am surprised you didn't mention it. As an "air chair" enthusiast I have to add that they can also be slope launched at many sites, including Torrey Pines and Crestline.

Roadrunner, The one word answer to your sailplane question that started this thread is YES. The only way you will know for sure that it will work for you is to go get a ride in one. Just like hang gliding there is quite a variety in the type of airtime or flying that you can do in sailplanes. Don't think that flying sailplanes means you can't still be out in the open. I fly a PW-2 certified sailplane that still gives me some of the joy of of flying out in the open like a HG or PG while comfortably seated with little worry of head injury from normal or even rough landings. It may be a little too far south of you, but the Central Valley Soaring Club in Avenal, CA has one. Here is a clip that I have posted here before of my friend Andrew, flying a PW-2 in Pennsylvania.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=joOj7_VMTfg

Here is a clip of yours truly "slope launching" a super floater at Torrey Pines:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qO35z9cElVo

There are a lot of options out there, but I think you will enjoy sailplanes. Go treat your self to a demo or introductory ride and find out. Let us know how it goes.

See you in the air, Alan

Incident Reports :: RE: Ralph Hyde

22 December, 2014 - 02:15
Author: aeroexperiments
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:15 pm (GMT -8)

Just saw this. Thanks for keeping us posted. Ralph (whenever you may see this) our thoughts are with you.

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: struggles of a light weight pilot

22 December, 2014 - 02:11
Author: gluesniffer
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:11 pm (GMT -8)

So lemme get this straight Michael 170, instead of the student using the correct equipment and learning the industry standard foot landing, you suggest she just land on wheels?

Hang gliding Videos :: Landing a Sail-Plane Down-Wind

22 December, 2014 - 01:58
Author: Roadrunner
Subject: Landing a Sail-Plane Down-Wind
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:58 pm (GMT -8)

Here's a question for those of you have flown both Hang-Gliders, and Sail-Planes: Can Sail-Planes be landed down-Wind well? Can Sail-Planes be landed down-wind well like a Hang-Glider can?

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Choosing Good Instruments For Beginner Hangglider

22 December, 2014 - 01:57
Author: red
Subject: Re: Choosing Good Instruments For Beginner Hangglider
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:57 pm (GMT -8)

maximilionalpha wrote: I haven't started training for my H1 yet, but I have begun to start browsing through the instruments, that I may need when I finally get to the point where I'm getting ready for my own wing. I would like to now, if the aircotec champion vario, is a good start and what would be a decent price to pay for it? maximilionalpha,

That Champion is a lot more "vario" than you need, but you won't outgrow it for a good while (if ever).
Make sure that you can read the face easily in direct sunlight. If you ever use polarized sunglasses to fly,
it may not be readable when holding your vario or your head at a wide range of angles.
For now though, you only need any old vario that beeps when going up. If you want an altimeter,
I can give you a decent Absolute Altimeter (does not work by barometric pressure) for free;
it weighs nothing, and you can't lose it. Click the link, and scroll down about a page, to the Free Altimeter:
http://user.xmission.com/~red/#th


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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Choosing Good Instruments For Beginner Hangglider

22 December, 2014 - 01:07
Author: Tiberiu
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:07 pm (GMT -8)

Buy used , e-bay or whatever as long as it shows altitude and goes beep is all you need .

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: Choosing Good Instruments For Beginner Hangglider

22 December, 2014 - 01:01
Author: maximilionalpha
Subject: Choosing Good Instruments For Beginner Hangglider
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:01 pm (GMT -8)

I haven't started training for my H1 yet, but I have begun to start browsing through the instruments, that I may need when I finally get to the point where I'm getting ready for my own wing. I would like to now, if the aircotec champion vario, is a good start and what would be a decent price to pay for it?

Bug reports and requests :: RE: Mail in my outbox...

22 December, 2014 - 00:15
Author: brian scharp
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:15 pm (GMT -8)

I know, scary huh? I tried addressing it to someone else again and have just now been able to delete it.

Flying Stories + Flight Reports :: RE: Indian Valley this weekend

21 December, 2014 - 23:05
Author: DBrose
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:05 pm (GMT -8)

I would love to fly there soon.
this was my last flight from there over the late summer http://vimeo.com/115073892
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Bug reports and requests :: RE: Mail in my outbox...

21 December, 2014 - 22:54
Author: andylongvq
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:54 pm (GMT -8)

brian scharp wrote: I tried deleting one by editing, but you have to leave some content and subject title. I tried changing who I was sending it to, me in hopes I could delete it that way. Now I have a message in my inbox I can't read or delete.
And they let you operate heavy machinery for 30 years? Crikey!!!

- Andy

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: antidote to hangliding withdrawl

21 December, 2014 - 22:52
Author: mbadley
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:52 pm (GMT -8)

I gave up motorcycles.... they are DANGEROUS! I'm sticking to safer things, like hang-gliders.

My younger son just got a Honda 250 Rebel and wants to take up hang gliding this season.... sheesh, you'd have thunk that after all those years of watching me he'd have better sense.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Andy Jackson Airpark 1984 US Nationals

21 December, 2014 - 22:36
Author: Comet
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:36 pm (GMT -8)

2:29 That is one heck of a speed bar!

Ah, the UP Comet, Raymond cocoon and Ball 652 - that was the setup!